Is this a Bumblebee?

Hi, Just bought my new snake.
But I'm curious, what morph is this really?
The one who sold him told me that it was a bumblebee but I wonder? :)
It's a beautiful snake tough, and it has green eyes :Phttp://i43.tinypic.com/29o0hee.jpg

yes. a bit dirty but is a bee.

Will his offsprings become "dirty" if i want to breed him in the future with another bee?
just curious :)

That's a bee. A dirty one, but a bee. If you are breeding you want the best quality pastel gene, to hold the yellows. A brown bee will throw babies that brown as well.

Here is my girl at 2000 grams, she is holding her yellow great.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/11/e6u3ete5.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/11/u3aretu9.jpg

Congrats on the new snake!

Yup, def a bee.

since its such a new user....


www.worldofballpythons.net/morphs is far from perfect, has many mistakes hidden in it, but its still the best reference because it has the biggest database and most pictures.

Also, bumble bee is a combination of spider and pastel. If you would breed it to just a normal, you would get 25% normals, 25% spider, 25% pastel, and 25% bumble bee.

it is a very old and very well-known combination, and most often is produced as a result of other breedings. Like if you breed a queen bee (spider + pastel + lesser) to an enchi pastel (enchi + pastel), you have a chance of getting these, while actually trying for something more advanced with more genes.

And dont feel sad when others say its not a very good bee. Many breeders are on this forum, and with anything that has pastel in it they always try to reduce the browning out by line-breeding. For a perfect bee with close to no browning out at all, you would pay much more, stuff like this is sold from breeder to breeder. For a pet its most important that you like it and that it is healthy. Your snake isnt ugly, its nice, really nice, you can clearly see its a bee, and there are worse ones out there. Its just not cutting-edge, and this forum is a bit harsh in that regard, everything gets compared to cutting-edge, just a few percent of any morph are good enough to quiet the nay-sayers on this forum.

Have fun with your snake! Treat it well, they have a higher life expectancy than cats or dogs.

How tame is it, have you been bit yet? (if it happens its not bad, it heals quickly). You could also make a thread in the husbandry section and give us details about your setup, enclosure, temperature and humidity, feeding, and (if there are any) questions and issues, and people here can help you with basically everything.

I'm not sure how someone could not know if something's a bee, but hey, that's just me. I can see your confusion with this one.
As I shall regurgitate, that's definitely a bumblebee bp. It isn't cutting edge though, but that's nothing to be ashamed of. I like to nickname these "dirty" bees, "green" bees sometimes. :)
Anyway, they're still beautiful even if they're "low quality" and still more coveted than a common normal, spider, or pastel so you should still enjoy it! If anything, it looks more natural than the artificial looking cutting edge bees, and I do agree, it's still quite a handsome snake.

Edit: I do believe this belongs in the "Is This A Morph????" section.

Dont move the thread, he did buy a bumble bee and got a bumble bee, and we are discussing other things now, if anything change the title of the thread.

Thank you for the information Pythonfriend! :)
I'l take a look at that website.
I think he is just lovely, very calm too and he never bites me.. he kinda was my birthday pressent from my husband :P
One question, he cost 360 USD. Is that too much for him you think? sorry but I'm just curious as always ^^
Well either way, i couldn't be more happier for this snake (havn't named him yet ^^) I think he is the most beautiful snake that I've ever had <3

Hey, congrats and all.

Lurk around and read as much as you can. You will be flowing with the BP river before you know it.

That's an awesome pick up! I just got one today to breed with my pastel in later years and he has some of the same features. Very beautiful snake. As for price I've only seen these guys at reptile expos where they are marked down in price and the one I got (make) was $280 but I got him for $200 flat. So is yours female? Because than can be a spike in the price as well. The females I saw we're around the same price you got yours or a little cheaper. It just depends on where you got it from (ex. Pet store, reptile expo, breeders), sex of it, quality, and mixtures of genes. I believe

Very nice, at first sight I fell in love with the bees! Every show I've been to this year they were $400-$450
I'm looking for a male to add soon!

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It's a male and he is from a breeder :)
He wanted at first 433 USD for the snake (3000 SEK where I live) but we got him for a little better price 2500 SEK (360 USD).

Yes I know, I fell in love with them in the first sight too.. they are so beautiful!
I'm hoping of getting a female bee too so maybe I can breed them in the future :rolleyes:

I would. But keep in mind that female bumblebees will be way more expensive than the males. Even if you got a pastel you can make killer bees. Check those out. They're super gorgeous but making superbees is a good idea too! With whatever it is good luck and congratulations. Such a beauty you have there :)

He's cute. Yeah a bit dirty but no big deal. Some of the people on this forum kinda made me feel bad about my pastel, Mocha, for the same reason. But she's a sweetheart and I love her so that's really all that matters at the end of the day. I don't blame you for liking him., he looks just fine. ;) I have a bee on order and will be getting him as soon as he's started. :)

I know people that may have morphs that are not as visual as others, but that doesn't mean he won't produce beautiful babies.

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I know people that may have morphs that are not as visual as others, but that doesn't mean he won't produce beautiful babies.

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I will agree with that. Case in point. This is my big granite male, Bryan. Clearly not the best granite you'll see out there (but he's my baby so don't say a word lol j/k ;) )
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...0219-00968.jpg

However, he produced this granite offspring, Ace, who is one of the prettiest balls I've seen in person.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...y26/Ace1-1.jpg


So based on that experience, I would have to agree that even though it may be unlikely, a lower quality individual can potentially produce a stunner of an offspring.

-double post, sorry-

Thanks all that is so kind of you <3

I need to learn more about morph crossing it seems very interesting to me :)

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Thanks all that is so kind of you <3

I need to learn more about morph crossing it seems very interesting to me :)

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Play around on there.

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Play around on there.

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That page has become a productivity killer for me at times lol

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Originally Posted by stickboy26

I will agree with that. Case in point. This is my big granite male, Bryan. Clearly not the best granite you'll see out there (but he's my baby so don't say a word lol j/k ;) )
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...0219-00968.jpg

However, he produced this granite offspring, Ace, who is one of the prettiest balls I've seen in person.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...y26/Ace1-1.jpg


So based on that experience, I would have to agree that even though it may be unlikely, a lower quality individual can potentially produce a stunner of an offspring.

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He is so beautiful!

Oh, I will check it out thank you!

I have a question...if you paid for a bumblebee, and the animal was sold as a bumblebee, why are you asking if its a bumblebee after you purchased it? I mean, "dirty" or not, bumblebees are pretty unmistakable. Just curious...

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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, breeding a bee to a bee isn't really recommended. There either isn't a super spider or it's a lethal combo, it's not yet been proven which, so breeding 2 spider gene animals together isn't the best idea.
I personally would not breed that bee, I would keep him as a pet and select better quality breeding stock in the future, but that's just me.

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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, breeding a bee to a bee isn't really recommended. There either isn't a super spider or it's a lethal combo,

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First off,spider is dominant so no such thing as a super. Second,spider to spider is not lethal! I just hate when people show their ignorance online! Lets see what the originator of the spider has to say! The 1 minute mark.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/vi...erd-video/316/

Um actually it really hasn't been proven one way or another, there's constantly back and forth arguing on this topic. I was trying to keep my answer simple so as not to confuse. "Don't do a spider to spider pairing." If they're still new to the morphs I'd rather just keep it simple and then can learn further as they go.

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I am new on ball python and new with the morphs out there.
I did had a feeling it was a bumblebee when I got him for my birthday but got curios when I saw the gray pattern on him (or that some of you call dirty).
So I searched bumblebee on google and did not find any one of them similar to the one I had so I got curios and decided to check it out here and may find answers to my question, and I did. :)

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First off,spider is dominant so no such thing as a super. Second,spider to spider is not lethal! I just hate when people show their ignorance online! Lets see what the originator of the spider has to say! The 1 minute mark.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/vi...erd-video/316/

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I'm pretty sure you were the one who had an issue with TheSnakeGeek saying the same thing, which you know where that threads at. So,etc debate that further there. ;)

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As for the breeding, i'm going to make a new thread in time about that in the breeding forums so this one doesn't get to much OT so you all are more than welcome to help me out there instead :)
A reptile market is soon coming here where I live so I'll probably get a male and female there and I would be glad for advice of morphs and breeding tips. So that's why I will open a new forum about that soon.

Anyway thanks all!
Now I will get back to study as hard as I can about morphs and breeding! :snake:

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First off,spider is dominant so no such thing as a super. Second,spider to spider is not lethal! I just hate when people show their ignorance online! Lets see what the originator of the spider has to say! The 1 minute mark.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/vi...erd-video/316/

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And right after that in the video kevin claims that the granite gene attached itself to the hidden gene woma gene....... :rolleyes: I just hate it when people show people showing their ignorance online lol!

if you breed spider to spider, the most likely scenario is a 25% drop in fertility for these clutches.

also, the most likely scenario is that instead of "25% normals 50% spiders 25% (non-existing) super spiders", you get 33% normals and 66% spiders, when you do spider to spider.

There are people that disagree, but most agree that thats the case. For this scenario there is a known mechanism.

so spider to spider can be done and people do it, even people that believe in the 25% smaller clutch size do it because after all, you wont get any sick snakes or failed hatchlings. Sometimes when people work on spinnerblasts or something, depending on the BPs they have, it can be a strategic decision to do spider to spider.