Pastel vs Black Pastel

I'm looking at a female lesser bee to purchase, and for its pastel gene they used black pastel.

I was wondering about peoples opinions on this. Should wait for a normal pastel gene or go for the black pastel?

Does black pastel get bright colors like a normal pastel?

pastel and black pastel are two completely different genes.

pastel makes the light areas of the BP lighter and more yellow, overall it makes the BP lighter.

Black pastel makes the dark areas darker, and overall darkens the whole BP.

You can do beautiful stuff with both genes, but they really are completely different.

if you combine pastel and black pastel, you get this:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/black-pewter/

I understand that, I was just wondering on your opinions of a lesser bee with normal pastel vs a lesser bee with black pastel.

I would have pics of her, but she was in shed. Gave me a quick lovebite too, instantly fell in love lol.

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A black pastel Lesser - http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...pastel-lesser/

and a lesser bee - http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-bee/

look nothing alike.

You are both confused. I am not talking a 2 gene snake, I'm talking a 3 gene.

A normal lesser bee = lesser + pastel + spider....

The lesser bee in question = lesser + black pastel + spider...


Is it really that difficult to understand my question??

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Originally Posted by joebad976

A black pastel Lesser - http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...pastel-lesser/

and a lesser bee - http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-bee/

look nothing alike.

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Thanks for stating the obvious, read the question next time.

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Originally Posted by DeathByDabs

You are both confused. I am not talking a 2 gene snake, I'm talking a 3 gene.

A normal lesser bee = lesser + pastel + spider....

The lesser bee in question = lesser + black pastel + spider...


Is it really that difficult to understand my question??

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Yes, because a lesser + pastel + spider is a queenbee. I think thats where you confused people. A lesserbee is lesser + spider.

I went back and forth on deciding whether or not to answer given YOUR attitude so I will give you an answer and an advice

The advice you might want to lose the attitude if you don't I doubt many people will want to help.

The answer Black pastel is a DARK morph therefore whatever combo it is used in will be darker then a combo that uses Pastel.

a lesser bee is what people call a lesser spider, when they want to make people believe it also has pastel in it :)


anything with bee means you never can be sure whats in it unless someone lists the genes. Bee sometimes means spider, sometimes it means pastel spider, depending on context ^^

Actually WOBP does not have a black pastel + lesser + spider. I even used the calculator to breed a black pastel + pastel + lesser + spider to a normal, they really do not have black pastel + lesser + spider in the database.

so the next closest thing is a cinnamon + lesser + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ny-lesser-bee/ <--- only one picture..... not much for a comparison.

for comparison, pastel + butter + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...le-bee-butter/

and pastel + lesser + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/queen-bee/



By the way, the quality of WOBP has gone down dramatically. They used to have an advanced search. Now if you search for a gene, you will not find all BPs containing that gene, there is no way to do it. For example, you cannot find "queen bee" by searching for ANY of the genes it contains. You wont find it when searching for lesser, or for pastel, or for spider, because the tags are missing. With advanced search this used to be easy. So if you dont know that its called queen bee, you have to use the calculator and do a breeding in the calculator that can produce it and need to check the results of the breeding in order to see if WOBP has the morph. Not user-friendly at all, its a total pain, you need to work and fight to extract the data you need.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I went back and forth on deciding whether or not to answer given YOUR attitude so I will give you an answer and an advice

The advice you might want to lose the attitude if you don't I doubt many people will want to help.

The answer Black pastel is a DARK morph therefore whatever combo it is used in will be darker then a combo that uses Pastel.

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This. But I prefer anything with black pastel.

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Originally Posted by DeathByDabs

Thanks for stating the obvious, read the question next time.

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Good Luck, learn the morphs so you can ask the right questions next time.

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Originally Posted by DeathByDabs

You are both confused. I am not talking a 2 gene snake, I'm talking a 3 gene.

A normal lesser bee = lesser + pastel + spider....

The lesser bee in question = lesser + black pastel + spider...


Is it really that difficult to understand my question??

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It's difficult to understand for us because you're wrong. Lesserbee is just lesser and spider.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-bee/

Black pastel and pastel are two ENTIRELY different morphs. They looks nothing alike. This is another reason why you're question is confusing.

How about you stop running your mouth and insulting people who are only trying to interpret your confusing questions and help you? Thanks! :)

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

a lesser bee is what people call a lesser spider, when they want to make people believe it also has pastel in it :)


anything with bee means you never can be sure whats in it unless someone lists the genes. Bee sometimes means spider, sometimes it means pastel spider, depending on context ^^

Actually WOBP does not have a black pastel + lesser + spider. I even used the calculator to breed a black pastel + pastel + lesser + spider to a normal, they really do not have black pastel + lesser + spider in the database.

so the next closest thing is a cinnamon + lesser + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ny-lesser-bee/ <--- only one picture..... not much for a comparison.

for comparison, pastel + butter + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...le-bee-butter/

and pastel + lesser + spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/queen-bee/



By the way, the quality of WOBP has gone down dramatically. They used to have an advanced search. Now if you search for a gene, you will not find all BPs containing that gene, there is no way to do it. For example, you cannot find "queen bee" by searching for ANY of the genes it contains. You wont find it when searching for lesser, or for pastel, or for spider, because the tags are missing. With advanced search this used to be easy. So if you dont know that its called queen bee, you have to use the calculator and do a breeding in the calculator that can produce it and need to check the results of the breeding in order to see if WOBP has the morph. Not user-friendly at all, its a total pain, you need to work and fight to extract the data you need.

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Thank you. Perfect answer. I'm going to buy her, and ill post pics!

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

a lesser bee is what people call a lesser spider, when they want to make people believe it also has pastel in it :)

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So what you are saying is that breeders who call a Lesser Spider a Lesser Bee, are misrepresenting their animals? :confusd: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

a lesser bee is what people call a lesser spider, when they want to make people believe it also has pastel in it :)

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Uh no....
When there's pastel added to a lesser bee(lesser+spider), then it becomes a Queen Bee. People know there's no pastel in a lesser bee.... >__<

This guy has no idea what he is talking about. And gets mad at you when you try to correct him.... We'll see how long he lasts on this forum.

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Originally Posted by DeathByDabs

Thank you. Perfect answer. I'm going to buy her, and ill post pics!

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Thanks for stating obvious!:gj:

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Uh no....
When there's pastel added to a lesser bee(lesser+spider), then it becomes a Queen Bee. People know there's no pastel in a lesser bee.... >__<

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I initially didnt know it and its still highly counter-intuitive to me. I think you need to qualify your statement up to "most people know" or "people that have been around for a really long time know".

It would be so cool when "bee" would always and without exceptions mean "pastel spider". Or when people would exclusively say "bumble bee" when referring to pastel spider, and only say things like "lesser bee" when it does not have pastel in it. Lots of linguistic inconsistencies here, and these guarantee two things: Change and confusion. The definitions will shift and change, the confusion will remain until the definitions are consistent. The inconsistencies will cause confusion until they are resolved by shifts in definitions.

EDIT: but then, we have bigger fish to fry right now... check forum section "general herp >> herp broadcast" for some really depressing stuff that we need to digest and respond to as a community.

But all of the names are like that. For example, stingerbee is an enchi spider. A stinging bumblebee is an enchi pastel spider.

Bumblebee is just pastel spider. Bee doesn't mean the pastel spider nomenclature automatically in the official name.

When people say 'nice bee' in their posts, its often just a shortened version or slang for bumblebee. Has nothing to do with the official names.




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