New baby girl.

I will be getting this girl soon. I can't wait. She is a Cinnamon Lesser. She is a miracle baby. She looked like she was a dud egg but he could feel something moving. When it was getting close he cut the egg and only saw white and no movement so he thought he had lost her. He dumped the egg and was examining her and she started to move. He carefully put her back in the egg and left her. She has been eating like a champ and just shed again. Let me know what you think of her. Thanks.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...psf5de0a80.jpg

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7a0da29.jpg

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Wow no comments. That's a first for me. Lol

I like her!! Odd, for some reason this never popped up in the 'unread' section for me. Congrats though!! Lucky girl :)

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I like her!! Odd, for some reason this never popped up in the 'unread' section for me. Congrats though!! Lucky girl :)

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Me neither! She's a beauty. :D :D Definitely jealous.

Glad she made it!

I'm not seeing any cinny in her though, only lesser.

I'm not seeing anything remotely close to a cinnamon lesser, just a normal lesser. Great story though

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I'm not seeing anything remotely close to a cinnamon lesser, just a normal lesser. Great story though

Nice Lesser girl,Congrats!

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I'm not seeing anything remotely close to a cinnamon lesser, just a normal lesser. Great story though

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I'm not seeing anything remotely close to a cinnamon lesser, just a normal lesser. Great story though

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I agree. That ain't no cinny lesser. That's just a lesser. A nice looking lesser, but only a lesser.

Wow, never heard of anyone putting a snake back in the egg lol Pretty cool though. Congrats.

Ok so why are you not seeing cinnamon I have looked at pics on WOBP and some of those look just like her. Also the breeder I have bought 90% of mine from has no reason to lie to me. I just would like to know what your not seeing.

Because this is a cinny lesser
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/05/muhydesa.jpg

When you add cinny to lesser, the yellow goes away and more greys and browns are added. Also the side pattern gets squashed and attached. I'm 100% sure the animal you posted has no cinny in it. I'm not trying to offend. If anything, I'm trying to help you because you should NOT be paying cinny lesser price for that snake. Someone is confused or lying to you.

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Because this is a cinny lesser
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/05/muhydesa.jpg

When you add cinny to lesser, the yellow goes away and more greys and browns are added. I'm 100% sure the animal you posted has no cinny in it. I'm not trying to offend. If anything, I'm trying to help you because you should NOT be paying cinny lesser price for that snake. Someone is confused or lying to you.

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I am not offended. I just think that the photos are not showing her off good. I know that the pic is a prime example of the morph. At the same time I don't have any reason to doubt what the person told me.

Well if you are ok paying way more for a lesser than what you should be spending, that's fine. No skin of my back. But it's wrong.

I'm getting a butter cinny in a month or so, and when I do I will send you a pic of what they are supposed to look like. I may be coming off as a butt hole here, but lithiums (butter/lesser cinny) are one of my favourite morph combos. I know what they should look like. That IS NOT one. I don't care who told you it is. It is not.

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Well if you are ok paying way more for a lesser than what you should be spending, that's fine. No skin of my back. But it's wrong.

I'm getting a butter cinny in a month or so, and when I do I will send you a pic of what they are supposed to look like. I may be coming off as a butt hole here, but lithiums (butter/lesser cinny) are one of my favourite morph combos. I know what they should look like. That IS NOT one. I don't care who told you it is. It is not.

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Well I am paying no where near those prices. But let me ask what you think of this one?

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...psa2c01623.jpg

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Well I am paying no where near those prices. But let me ask what you think of this one?

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...psa2c01623.jpg

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That has everything I said up there ^
-brown
-greys
-squished pattern

Also I forgot to add that cinny often adds striping. So yes. That is a lithium. Why would you choose a snake to show me that looked nothing like yours to prove your point? The amount of bright yellow in your snake is the biggest factor here. None of the lithiums on WOBP are anywhere near that yellow.

I'd have to agree with the crowed and say that what you have there is just a lesser.

There are a few obvious tells for the lesser/butter cinnamon combo and yours shows none of them.

- Darker heads with lighter faded eye stripes
- Melding alien heads forming chains or stripes down the sides of the body
- Longer, more exaggerated dorsal striping
- Silver eyes
- Body color is a more chocolate brown on the back and sides than a butter or lesser which is more of an orange/brown color

None of these individually make the morph, its more of a collection of these traits that give the morph its distinction.

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That has everything I said up there ^
-brown
-greys
-squished pattern

Also I forgot to add that cinny often adds striping. So yes. That is a lithium. Why would you choose a snake to show me that looked nothing like yours to prove your point? The amount of bright yellow in your snake is the biggest factor here. None of the lithiums on WOBP are anywhere near that yellow.

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Actually that is not a true lithium. It is a cinnamon lesser and not a cinnamon butter but that is just grasping. Though I did find this one that looks pretty close to mine.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ps17c11b3f.jpg

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Actually that is not a true lithium. It is a cinnamon lesser and not a cinnamon butter but that is just grasping. Though I did find this one that looks pretty close to mine.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ps17c11b3f.jpg

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I'm done. The snake you have is not a cinny x lesser/butter. It's only a lesser. I'm not debating with you. I'm TELLING you.

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I'm done. The snake you have is not a cinny x lesser/butter. It's only a lesser. I'm not debating with you. I'm TELLING you.

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Ok. I don't know what's wrong with a debate. I am just getting clarification. The last one I posted looks a lot like mine. It does have the spots on the back and isn't a brownish color.

So your TELLING me. Didn't know that you were a BP god.

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Actually that is not a true lithium. It is a cinnamon lesser and not a cinnamon butter but that is just grasping. Though I did find this one that looks pretty close to mine.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ps17c11b3f.jpg

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That is a nice example of the combo, but again, yours is not a cinnamon lesser by the looks of it.

If you do not want to believe the members trying to enlighten you on this thread, there is nothing we can do about it. Just take what we are saying into consideration. I produced 3 lithiums and a butter in the same clutch last week, and I have a pretty darn good sense of what they are supposed to look like. Interloc is a lithium fan and knows his stuff as well, and despite being a little abrupt in his delivery, is trying to give you some good advice regarding the snake you've posted pictures of and have been given misinformation on.

It's a great looking snake, its just not what you were told it was.

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That is a nice example of the combo, but again, yours is not a cinnamon lesser by the looks of it.

If you do not want to believe the members trying to enlighten you on this thread, there is nothing we can do about it. Just take what we are saying into consideration. I produced 3 lithiums and a butter in the same clutch last week, and I have a pretty darn good sense of what they are supposed to look like. Interloc is a lithium fan and knows his stuff as well, and despite being a little abrupt in his delivery, is trying to give you some good advice regarding the snake you've posted pictures of and have been given misinformation on.

It's a great looking snake, its just not what you were told it was.

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It's not that I don't believe. I put my black pastel that I got from the same person up here. From a black pastel to black pastel. And still had people saying not a black pastel. And many more saying it was.

To me I think that just because it doesn't look like the best example of it does not mean it's not one.

I guess I will have to wait till she gets bigger and breed her to a black pastel or cinnamon and show it

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It's not that I don't believe. I put my black pastel that I got from the same person up here. From a black pastel to black pastel. And still had people saying not a black pastel. And many more saying it was.

To me I think that just because it doesn't look like the best example of it does not mean it's not one.

I guess I will have to wait till she gets bigger and breed her to a black pastel or cinnamon and show it

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I hear you,

It can be tough to get solid advice when there are a lot of people trying to give advice that may or may not have the experience to do so. I am not saying that there isn't the slightest chance that your snake is exactly what you were told it is, I am just saying it is highly unlikely given the photos you have posted.

Here is a visually comparison of my hatchling butter and lithium wrapped up together. You can tell the difference quite a bit easier when they are side by side. Although the lithium's head is buried, its easy to tell the eye stripe is faded and less yellow, and that they eye is silver compared to the butter. Hope this helps!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ps27fee014.png

I want to say that I checked with the breeder and I she is just a lesser. I want to apologize if I came across bad. I thought it was another one that he had. I am sorry.

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I want to say that I checked with the breeder and I she is just a lesser. I want to apologize if I came across bad. I thought it was another one that he had. I am sorry.

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No worries at all, Matt :)

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I want to say that I checked with the breeder and I she is just a lesser. I want to apologize if I came across bad. I thought it was another one that he had. I am sorry.

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No worries dude. It takes a big man to say "my bad". I'm also sorry if I came across a bit abrasive. I get worked up sometimes. So my bad as well. *thumbs up*

Fantastic looking Lesser!