Please Help Confirm. These do not look normal to me.

I recently bought 3 snakes on craigslist for 75 total. They should be 1 male pastel, 1 male het albino, 1 female het albino. Something in the patterns is messing with me they do not look like normals and even the pastel does not look like a normal pastel to me. Please take a look and advise. Thanks.

Pastel Male
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09305.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09304.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09303.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09302.jpg

Male Het Albino
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09300.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09299.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09298.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09297.jpg

Female Het Albino
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...bino_pic_3.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09307.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/dsc09306.jpg

Look pretty normal to me, aside from the fact the pics are kind of hazy. Do you have any better ones?


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Looks like a pastel and two possible het albinos (ie normal looking snakes that may be het albino) but only breeding will tell for sure if the two are het albino.

Only Pics I have at this moment.

They don't look strange to me at all.

They look normal to me too. Hets can look a little different from normals, that's pretty typical.

look regular to me also.

Looks like a pastel and two possible het albinos to me.

I was able to contact the breeder of these snakes. I got the info from the person that sold them to me. The breeder is saying that his pairing for these was a Josie Het Albino Femal x Albino Male. I do not know if that is accurate on the Josie but that is what I am trying to find out now.

What are the distinguishing features of a Josie ball? How can I tell?

I was able to get some more pics. Not sure how much better they are. My camera is acting up.

Male Het Albino
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_2.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_3.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_4.jpg

Female Het Albino
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_2.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_3.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...male_pic_4.jpg

Again not sure if the info I got so far is acurate. That is why I am trying to confirm with anyone that would know better than I do. Please advise. Thanks

I would say if the breeder says they're not Josies, they're not Josies. It's a pretty rare morph.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/josie-ball/

Compared to the last pic there, I would say your poss. hets are just poss hets. I'm no expert, but those look like normal ball pythons.

That is the weird part the breeder is telling me that they most likley are Josie Het Albinos.

I am thinking that is too good to be true since they are a rare and expensive snake.

I have no clue. I like them as they are. Just trying to figure it out. I have a feeling that they are just het albino.

I have seen the pics on WOBP. That still does not tell the aspects that make the Josie stand out.

What are the distinguishing features of the Josie ball python?

No way in h e double hockey sticks are those Josies. I know Joe Ellis, the guy who breeds and originated Josies, and there is no possible way they are even close to being a Josie or even a het Josie. The guy is pulling your chain. He's trying to make plain old normal ball pythons into something they are not.

The one is a pastel, yes. The other two may or may not be het albino. Joe has crossed the Josie into a handful of other morphs, and there are a few people out there fortunate enough to have bought into his projects, but I am telling you if those things were even hatched in the same building as a Josie, I'd eat horse manure. Only the lowest of the low try to make a new snake owner believe they have something they don't. You have a pastel and two possible het albinos. Nothing more.

Gale

If the breeder told you they're Josies and they're so obviously not, I would not take his word that they're het albino, either. People have been trying to sell normals as 'het' anything for years and years. They prey on the inexperienced, leading to people coming on here with pictures of their 'het spider' they got off Craigslist. I would treat them as normals until when (or if) they prove out to be hets.

No one has bred a Josie to an Albino as of now. Well at least from my line. Hope this helps a little

From the man himself.

If the breeder lied about them being josies, you can just about bet your bottom dollar that they're not het for albino, either. If they DO prove, count yourself lucky.

Craigslist can have some hidden treasures, but most of it is fools gold.

I thought it was too good to be true.

The part of this situation that was starting to get to me was that the breeder did not tell me this to get me to buy the snakes. I had already bought the snakes from another person that the breeder had sold them to. That person refered me to the breeder to get the info on when the snakes hatched and the pairings that produced them. That is when the breeder had advised that they may be Josie Het Albinos. I was not sure and figured that someone on this site would be able to identify and confirm based on the pics. I am however hoping that they are at least the Het Albinos. I am still interested in knowing what the distinguishing visual characteristics of the Josie ball are. The only part I can see from the pictures is the Busy Patterns and the lighter colors. If I am missing anything else please let me know. Based on the comments from everyone including those from the man himself Joe Ellis, I am convinced that these are not Josies. Thanks to all.