need help identifying these balls

The dad is a fire ball, and the mom is a new unique female I picked up...well only 3 eggs but 2 are just crazy and at least fires but really I think something else is going on because I produced fires with same dad before and they did not look like this. Then the 3rd baby is really weird too. Black backed and all 3 babies have clear sheds. Any help would be great . here is pic of dad and mom too. I have never produced balls with more than one gene so I am lost in this. Andy

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/028.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/027.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/025.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/020.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/013.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/008.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/006.jpg

I'm new to all this but from all the hours I've spent reading/researching etc. here is my opinion... two fires, one of which (with more blushing) is an AWESOME example of the gene and the last is a nice black-backed normal. Possibly some cool genetic stuff going on with the mother. I would try pairing her to genes that tend to lighten, or add blushing. If she keeps throwing black backs you'll produce some really neat looking stuff! Is she a poss het?? Congrats on the clutch they're all gorgeous :D thanks for sharing!

Is that black-backed male?

Yes the black back is a male. He really looks amazing as well...the yellow on his back is a brighter yellow than the sides which really makes him look cool. Do you think I should breed him back to mom?

Andy

I am wondering why the sheds are clear. I have ghosts and they were what I thought only had clear sheds...is it common for new babies to have clear sheds for a while? Its just I never paid much attention before.

Andy

Breed him back to mom!

As for the shedding :confusd:

I remember a thread awhile back where someone mentioned that first sheds are always clear. I'll try to find it.

Here ya go:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=197909

Hope that works. I'm using the tapatalk app, first time trying to link to another post :)

deff breed back to mom :) try and find out exactly what's going on there. IF there's a super form of it, chances are you'll hit it when breeding back to mom! Good thing about it being a male is you can go ahead and throw him to mom and a few other nice looking females you think may react nicely to it in a single season as opposed to female they lay and are out till next season... anyway i'm sure u get what i'm saying! again congrats very nice clutch!!!:gj:

Thanks

I am not an expert, and this is my first season of working with the Fire gene, but based on the pictures of the 2 that have the fire gene, I would guess that mom is a Yellowbelly. Take a look at the pictures of the Fire Yellowbelly on World of Ball Python, http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/. Your 2 hatchlings look very similar to those animals and the sides and bellies of your hatchlings made me think of Yellowbelly immediately.

Mom definitely is not a YB imo. She has some flaming which got passed on to the babies. The dad is a perfect 10, grade A fire so it's just good selective breeding. You have 2 fires and a normal imo. The black back may be genetic but my guess is it's not since neither of the parents really have it.

What are the sexes of the fires?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Mom definitely is not a YB imo. She has some flaming which got passed on to the babies. The dad is a perfect 10, grade A fire so it's just good selective breeding. You have 2 fires and a normal imo. The black back may be genetic but my guess is it's not since neither of the parents really have it.

What are the sexes of the fires?

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I agree that the mom does not look to be a Yellowbelly, but you don't think the sides and bellies of the 2 hatchlings look like a Fire Yellowbelly?

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Originally Posted by ajfreptiles

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ythons/013.jpg

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When I saw this pic I said Fire YB right away. Very hard to tell though. You may have something going on. I would hold them all back to find out for sure. What are the sexes on the 2 "Fires"?