My new Boa!

So I just purchased my third constrictor and my 2nd Boa.

He is a EBV Red Group Pastel Hypo Jungle BCI.

Gorgeous little snake and when my girl gets mature I can make little boa babies! Lol

Here he is, and better pictures to come.
http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/...2/null-188.jpg
http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/...2/null-187.jpg


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Pretty baby - congrats! :gj:

Who did you purchase him from?

Very pretty, congrats :gj:

Too cute! :D

Your last hand pic reminds me of a pic I took of my own little hypo back in April '11:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...psf44b088d.jpg

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Pretty baby - congrats! :gj:

Who did you purchase him from?

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Bought him from Jeff at Shedskin(awesome dude) in Tracy, Ca.

Jeff put me on the phone with the breeder and he explained the parentage of my new boy.

It's nice having a snake from a known reputable breeder, and a known line. Im pretty excited


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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Too cute! :D

Your last hand pic reminds me of a pic I took of my own little hypo back in April '11:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...psf44b088d.jpg

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Nice, cute little guy/gal. Can't wait till they start putting on some weight.


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So has anyone heard of this line or is it just my area?


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The Red Group Pastel is a known line.
Your male will be awesome as an adult.

Here's an adult Red Group Pastel Hypo.
http://www.reptileinsider.com/attach...1&d=1368133931

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Originally Posted by Jason Bowden

The Red Group Pastel is a known line.
Your male will be awesome as an adult.

Here's an adult Red Group Pastel Hypo.
http://www.reptileinsider.com/attach...1&d=1368133931

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Wow their color changes pretty dramatically!

I'm new to the idea of boa breeding, so I'm unsure how the different traits breed out...

I know on balls the morphs are genetic, and there is a fairly scientific way to guesstimate what you will get with given parents.

How about with boas? My girl is a common columbian BCI, and obviously my male is a EBV Red Group Pastel Hypo Jungle BCI. What can I expect from the offspring?


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The one I posted a pic of is a really red one. Most aren't that red. Her belly is even red.

Jungle and hypo are both codominant genes.

Some babies will be more pastel looking than others.

Oh ok. I'm still learning all this boa stuff, considering its much different than ball morphology.

When someone says "I have a EBV Red Group Pastel Hypo Jungle" what does that mean exactly?

I know the EBV stands for "East Bay Vivariums" and that is where the lineage started, and red group was one particular line or trait that was selectively bred(I think?) an pastel refers to the coloring/patterning, and hypo is short for hypomelanistic meaning the dark colors are drown out, or non existent, an no clue what jungle means.

It would be great if someone could tell me if I'm right on the stuff I tried to explain and tell me what the other stuff means lol.

Thanks in advance!


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Jungle means Awesome! LOL

You'll have to study up on boa morphs.

Jungle is a codominant gene. There is a super form: super jungle

You've got it mostly right.

EBV Red Group is simply the line of pastel. There are nearly a dozen different lines. I have a Pastel Dream and 3 Cherry line pastels and they all look a bit different. In addition to those 2 lines, there are also the Inferno, Summit, Ferrari, and Flamingo lines, just to name a few off the top of my head. Incidentally, the EBV Red Group and the Jeff Ronne's Pastel Dream are the original 2 lines of pastels.

The pastel gene is polygenic in nature. Which means that there seem to be multiple traits that work together and it is not inheritable in the same manner as dominant, co-dominant, or recessive genes are. It is not guaranteed to pass on to the offspring. In fact, if you want to create pastel babies, both parents really should carry the trait. If you use one pastel parent, the pastel can help to "clean up" the color and pattern, but you really won't make any true pastel babies with only one parent.

This is my Pastel Dream baby...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...psa48cbf27.jpg

And this is a Cherry line pastel...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps186bb633.jpg

Hypomelanism is the reduction, but not elimination, of melanin (black pigmentation). This creates a very reddish or pinkish-orange boa. Hypo boas are generally quite recognizable from normal babies and usually have a very clean color and pattern with butterfly-shaped saddles.

This is my Peaches, a hypo dh ghost female...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/.../peaches01.jpg

Jungle is both a color and a pattern gene. These can vary quite a lot - some "low-expression jungles" can be hard to recognize, especially as babies before the color really develops. Most jungles will have a more caramel and rust coloration. The color can be a bit lost when combined with other color genes though - so a hypo jungle will look more like a hypo in color, but may have the aberrant pattern noted of jungles.

This is my low-expression jungle male - he has no other genes at work here so you can really see what "normal" jungle looks like.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps68cabe70.jpg

And this is my fully-striped baby displaying the crazy aberrancies that can come out of jungles...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps27eb82e1.jpg


So, when you say you have an EBV Red Group Pastel Hypo Jungle, you simply have a snake that is a pastel, a hypo, and a jungle. A dual-gene polygenic animal.

Do you have paperwork for your baby? I mean absolutely no disrespect at all - you have a very nice baby there! - but I would expect to see more color on a pastel hypo and more trademarks of the jungle gene. Pastels can and do deepen in color as they grow, but there should be some color there now. But perhaps the pictures just aren't the best for me to see that. Annnnd, I tend to have really high standards, lol. The most important thing is that if the breeder is reputable, then you're good to go! Again - no disrespect intended!! :gj:

Thank you for all that clarification. I will call the breeder and get some paperwork. The guy threw out the names of who the parents were and where they came from, but I don't recall...



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Awesome looking boa and all of this boa talk is not making me want to wait to get one. I want a Brazilian Rainbow or a red tail. Don't even know what morph to start with for either one of those.

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Awesome looking boa and all of this boa talk is not making me want to wait to get one. I want a Brazilian Rainbow or a red tail. Don't even know what morph to start with for either one of those.

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Lol I love my boas and enjoy them so much more than my BP. So inquisitive. Very fun to handle and watch.


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