Lesser Gene!

I'm new to the world of BPs and I'm looking into investing into a pair of lesser platinums for future breeding projects. I have a normal now and that would put me at 0.1 norm, 1.1 lesser platinums to start. Anyway would like to see some possibilities with this gene. I'm pretty sure I can peg this one as my favorite gene ;) at least top 3! I think I'd like to specialize once I get started and just work w/this gene (for a while). Curious to know from the BP community what are some thoughts about this, and some of your experiences w/it! Pics, opinions, info all very much appreciated :D

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Originally Posted by galequin

I'm new to the world of BPs and I'm looking into investing into a pair of lesser platinums for future breeding projects. I have a normal now and that would put me at 0.1 norm, 1.1 lesser platinums to start. Anyway would like to see some possibilities with this gene. I'm pretty sure I can peg this one as my favorite gene ;) at least top 3! I think I'd like to specialize once I get started and just work w/this gene (for a while). Curious to know from the BP community what are some thoughts about this, and some of your experiences w/it! Pics, opinions, info all very much appreciated :D

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Maybe it's just me...but I don't understand what you are asking? Pictures of lessers? Some of our lesser combos?

I believe the answer would be yes. I too would like to see some pictures of both lessers and lesser crosses. Its a morph im quite interested in as well and id like to see what a quality lesser looks like and what the different variations and possibilities are of the morph.

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Originally Posted by jkube620

i believe the answer would be yes. I too would like to see some pictures of both lessers and lesser crosses. Its a morph im quite interested in as well and id like to see what a quality lesser looks like and what the different variations and possibilities are of the morph.

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Well, here is my lesser, Jax. He's got about 300g put on since this picture was taken. He's also got two clutches due to drop first of August. I should have a combo in one of those clutches ;)

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...psb84e4135.jpg

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

Type lesser into the search field, this will filter the morph list to only include combos that include the lesser genetics. Click on the names and you should be able to see the genes in the combo and pictures of the combo

Then you can use this page to calculate odds of potential pairings:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Instructions for using the genetics calculator:

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Here you can select any gene for a male and "breed" it to a female to see what the outcome will be. In order to select multiple genes for a given snake, simply hold the "ctrl" key while adding more genes (on Mac computers you use the Command key (AKA Apple key). In order to breed a snake to a normal Ball Python, leave one side of the wizard blank and that snake will be treated as normal.

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Here is Melman, my Pastel Lesser-

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/va3ysuqe.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/aje8y3e9.jpg

I have a butter also, if you would like to see her. Check out the World of Ball Python link Aaron gave you to check out different combos.

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Here is Melman, my Pastel Lesser-

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/va3ysuqe.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/aje8y3e9.jpg

I have a butter also, if you would like to see her. Check out the World of Ball Python link Aaron gave you to check out different combos.

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What is the difference really between a Butter and a Lesser? I see some on the forums say there is no difference and some say there is definitely a difference. Looking at the various pictures, I think that Lessers can look like Butters and Butters can look like Lessers. So how do you guys tell the difference? Does a butter have more yellow? Maybe one of them has a more reduced pattern?

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Originally Posted by BlueMoonExotics

What is the difference really between a Butter and a Lesser? I see some on the forums say there is no difference and some say there is definitely a difference. Looking at the various pictures, I think that Lessers can look like Butters and Butters can look like Lessers. So how do you guys tell the difference? Does a butter have more yellow? Maybe one of them has a more reduced pattern?

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I suscribe to the belief that butters and lessers are basically two blood lines of the same morph.

Butter: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/butter/

Lesser: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser/

Some people claim to be able to tell the difference between them, but I've seen verified lessers that look just like butters, and verified butters that look just like lessers. So I call shenanigans on anyone who says that they can 100% of the time.

My Lesser Platinum charming his Mojo lady.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...g/DSC_0767.jpg

Lessers are one of my favorites and I love all of their combos.

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Originally Posted by BlueMoonExotics

What is the difference really between a Butter and a Lesser? I see some on the forums say there is no difference and some say there is definitely a difference. Looking at the various pictures, I think that Lessers can look like Butters and Butters can look like Lessers. So how do you guys tell the difference? Does a butter have more yellow? Maybe one of them has a more reduced pattern?

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The difference is just the name. Both are the same genetic mutation, but two different lines. Lesser Platinum from Ralph Davis and the Butter from the Bells. (Like saying Lemon Pastel vs Citrus Pastel vs Graziani Pastel. All pastels, but different lines)

The differences you see in individuals is just natural variation. Both butter and lesser can come in more cream, more yellow, more reduced, more busy, blushed, non blushed, or whatever example. If there was a lesser that looked a certain way, there's a butter that has the same traits and vice versa.

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http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb8e5f7f3.jpg

My favorite lesser combo and favorite ball python in my collection: LESSER GENETIC STRIPE.

Well heres a Kingpin (Butter Pin)
Maybe someone has a Lesserpin to compare.
They look they same to me

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/...psaaf26048.jpg

keep em coming! I'm loving these pics... great tool with the genetic calculator would love to see some more of these pics and individual experiences w/em :)... GREAT looking gen stripe combo wenhend!

This guy describes the differences HE sees between the two morphs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uffBYt4NYg

you just really want to try for a clean Blue Eyed Lucy.

Dave

For me lessers and butters are like cinnamons and Black pastels very similar but different... Lesser have more silver to them and generally are "colder" looking Butters have more yellows and caramel to them and they are "warmer" looking if you know what I'm talking about...

When You put them to other morphs then You really see difference especialy how they react with darker morphs...

I'm on fence because my next male is going to me or butter parstel or Lesser Pastel and Have no Idea with one I should choose..

My lesser "Jane"
http://i.imgur.com/5OTd9Lo.jpg

This video depicts her colours better than any picture I've taken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzOptDMaOA0

I cannot wait to go into the piggy bank for my first pair of lessers! I know what you mean by your descriptions and if I can advise you on your decision (my opinion is completely biased of course) go with the lesser platinum... I feel that the reduction of patterns and the overall progression toward the platinum look always results in really good looking snakes.

My lesser female
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/uby6yhe6.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/da9ytuda.jpg

Lotsa blushing and really bright. :gj:

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Well, here is my lesser, Jax. He's got about 300g put on since this picture was taken. He's also got two clutches due to drop first of August. I should have a combo in one of those clutches ;)

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...psb84e4135.jpg

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Your lesser has a "P" on it just like my butter! :D

http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/...ps16cdcf4d.jpg

I'm assuming they're two versions of the same line, butters and lessers... Queen Bees are listed as lesser x pastel x spider, while a butter x pastel x spider is called a Bumble Bee Butter... But a HYPO Queen Been is listed as butter x pastel x spider x ghost... And the same thing with a lesser doesn't have a name / picture.
I like how the queen bee looks over the butter bee, but I am trying to make a hypo queen bee and am perfectly happy with how it looks as pictured with the butter gene. Wonder if anyone out there has a picture of the same combo but with the lesser.

Cinamon Lesser

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...lesser/001.jpg

Lithium aka Cinamon Butter

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...ithium/003.jpg

You can See what i ment with colder (1st picture) AND WARMER (2ND PICTURE)

Pictures courtesy or worldofballpythons.com

Haven, just a good ol' Butter:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...psbb6da5dc.jpg

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

you just really want to try for a clean Blue Eyed Lucy.

Dave

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Yes that is in fact what I'm going for :D plus I happen to think my local exotic pet shop has a good deal on a pair and I cannot pass it up. Aside from that I love Lesser Platinums so much that I wouldn't mind having two lol. Also getting that pair means I increase my chances of hitting BEL in a single breeding season as opposed to getting a male, breeding to my norm, hoping for a female, bringing her up to weight and crossing back to her father... I got impatient just writing that! lol I guess I could go super right away and breed out all LP clutches buuttt that means saving up for A LOT longer than I'd like to lol.

Sidenote: Aes_Sidhe... Thanks for the awesome examples! those images provide a pretty clear diff between the genes:)

THANK YOU ALL! I'm loving all the pics, even the butters... someone should work on a new line and call it bread, so when crossed with butters you get bread n butter babies :D

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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe

You can See what i ment with colder (1st picture) AND WARMER (2ND PICTURE)

Pictures courtesy or worldofballpythons.com

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Sidenote: Aes_Sidhe... Thanks for the awesome examples! those images provide a pretty clear diff between the genes:)
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Still same mutation regardless. There are examples of more yellow lessers and more silvery butters and vice versa. The difference is natural variation and difference in parental looks. A darker cinny can influence the looks of the lithium and cinny butter just as much as a lighter cinny. You have to take into account both parental looks and quality. But just because they look slightly different doesn't mean they are different genetic mutations. A citrus pastel looks vastly different from a graziani pastel. Both are still pastels in the end.

There are a variety of looks for a butter. But there is always some sort of equivalent of the lesser as well.

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here's a lesser female that is ovulating. you can see how well the lesser retains it's color.


http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._ovulating.jpg


next is a blonde pastel lesser,

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tel_lesser.jpg


here's a male killer queen bee, (super blonde pastel, lesser, spider) that I produced this year. it's a color pic, not black and white. really like this combo

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../img_2052a.jpg

Well said Satomi... there may be a placebo thing going on here, or maybe it's cuz the first time I saw the morph it was a labeled lesser but I find myself more drawn to those labeled as lesser even if it is the SAME exact genetic mutation or two lines of the same mutation lol... AWESOME killer queen :bow::bow: all very, very beautiful snakes!!

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http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file.../img_2052a.jpg

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Love that snake.

My Butter then-

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/nu7y9emy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/satege5u.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/21/be3atupu.jpg

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Originally Posted by galequin

THANK YOU ALL! I'm loving all the pics, even the butters :D

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

you just really want to try for a clean Blue Eyed Lucy.

Dave

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Lesser x mojave

So far the cleanest BEL ive found besides for the super lesser is the pastel lesser mojave. Anyone actualy own one to put some input on that?

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this is our queenspin (lesser x pastel x spider x pinstripe). i think lesser and pastel blend together BEAUTIFULLY. some of my favorite looking ball pythons are good examples of a simple lesser pastel. 2 common genes but they make a gorgeous combination. if i remember right, DooLittle has a lesser pastel that is drool worthy.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/23/e8aqabep.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/23/meqahujy.jpg

oh and lesser enchis are some of my favorites too. they just look so creamy.

Lesser is definitely one of my favorite base morphs. Check out the thread below, some of the members here have AWESOME examples of the butter/lesser gene.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-yours-Lessers!