Ringer info

What exactly do ringer marks indicate.

1.1 pastels, 1.0 lesser, 0.1 spider, 1.3 norm. 1.0 fire 0.1 RTB 0.0 sav. Mon.

From what I understand, it indicates that a snake is possibly het for pied. It's not a guarantee, just seems to increase the likelihood. I don't breed snakes, so hopefully someone who knows for certain will chime in.

That's what I thought.

1.1 pastels, 1.0 lesser, 0.1 spider, 1.3 norm. 1.0 fire 0.1 RTB 0.0 sav. Mon.

My understanding is that a ringer is just a mark that can be genetic or it can be random like paradox. While they do seem to be more common in pied lines they are not uncommon in other morphs as well. There is a champagne line known for its ringers as well.
Someone will more information please chime in!

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Originally Posted by Sama

My understanding is that a ringer is just a mark that can be genetic or it can be random like paradox. While they do seem to be more common in pied lines they are not uncommon in other morphs as well. There is a champagne line known for its ringers as well.
Someone will more information please chime in!

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I believe Dave Green has the Ringer Champs and they are extreme ringers. Makes them almost look like they carry the pied gene.

Any snake with a pure white area or ring, typically near the tail end of the snake, can be called a ringer. They seem to pop up randomly from time to time in ball pythons; however, in my experience, het pieds, fires, cinnamons and champagnes seem to have more of a chance of being ringers. As far as a ringer being a het pied it's almost like the "pied markers", a het pied can be a ringer but it doesn't mean a ringer is a het pied.

Here are a some examples:

Fire ringer
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

A cinnamon lesser poss. het pied
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...nLesserPHP.jpg

A fire ringer breeding with my extreme ringer champagne
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...01/ringers.jpg

A fire extreme ringer champagne
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ireERChamp.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

A fire extreme ringer champagne
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ireERChamp.jpg

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Dave is this your fire champagne?

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Originally Posted by Southern_Breeder

Dave is this your fire champagne?

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Yes, she was produced here and is one of my favorite snakes. Here she is with a sibling that I kept as well.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

Dave, all of those ringers are just ridiculously awesome! Beautiful...

What makes those extreme ringers "ringers" and not actual pieds?

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Originally Posted by Sita

What makes those extreme ringers "ringers" and not actual pieds?

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Neither parent has the recessive "pied" gene in them. You can search extreme ringer on this forum as I've posted a lot of information regarding these snakes. Some have argued that the parents could contain the pied gene; however, the breeders I got them from were never able to produce similar animals. Also, all the Pied Champagnes I've seen look like spieds, all white with some pattern on their heads. I bred the original extreme ringer champagne to a pied this year and she is due to lay eggs pretty soon. It may be interesting or I may just get a bunch of het pied stuff.