updated pictures of my snakes eyes, they look worse (couldn't edit last thread)

So her eyes look even worse in my opinion.. I didn't get to add the humidity hide (will do that tonight after work) but.. is this somerthing more serious to worry about?

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Before I say anything, I'd suggest doing a responsiveness test in the pupil. Basically, shine a flashlight at the eye-- if you see the pupil contract, just give it time to clear up.

My personal opinion? I'm not entirely sure that this snake can see. I'd wait for someone who's more skilled to come along and be sure, or, even better, taking the snake to a vet to get a professional opinion, but I had my doubts when you posted your first thread and these pictures only confirm that in my head.

Keep us updated, and yes, definitely put together a humid hide asap.

If it ends up being that she can't see, I don't need to put her down, do I? She's ate since in my care, doesn't seem to have issues moving about, finding her hides or water. She seems pretty normal, always trying to.find a way escape, etc. Whenever I have ger outta the cage she seems to.find her way.around

Are your hides rough on the inside?

I used unglazed terracotta for a while and the eyecaps used to get scuffed as the snake moved around inside the hide.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=scuffed

Does that look similar to you?


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It looks somewhat similar but I'm.not quite sure. It doesn't seem like its her. entire eye

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If it ends up being that she can't see, I don't need to put her down, do I? She's ate since in my care, doesn't seem to have issues moving about, finding her hides or water. She seems pretty normal, always trying to.find a way escape, etc. Whenever I have ger outta the cage she seems to.find her way.around

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No, you do not need to euthanize the animal. There are plenty of BPs that are born completely eyeless which live relatively normal lives and do just fine.

Blind BPs can live an excellent quality of life. Their sense of smell and their heat pits are excellent resources for navigation. There's no need to put her down if it turns out she can't see. :)

Great to hear! Wouldn't wanna have to have her put down

That poor baby.... have you tried putting her in a nice humid soak? I just did this with Nagini. All I did was pick up a locking 6qt tub, drill a nice amount of holes, put a soft towel on the bottom and fill it with about 1/2" of warm water. Let her soak for about 30 :) My girl was all kindsa happy rubbing along the towel. If nothing else, it will make her feel good for a little bit.

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If it ends up being that she can't see, I don't need to put her down, do I? She's ate since in my care, doesn't seem to have issues moving about, finding her hides or water. She seems pretty normal, always trying to.find a way escape, etc. Whenever I have ger outta the cage she seems to.find her way.around

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You would definitely not need to put her down.
Here is a picture of one of my boas who developed a cataract in her right eye when she was very young. She is healthy, fat, and happy. The only problems I've ever encountered is that she will occasionally miss her rat, or that she might startle a little easier on her bad side. It does not affect her quality of life in the least bit, though.

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My co workers who also own ball pythons says that my snake is going to shed soon, and that her eyes are normal looking for a snake about to shed. She hasn't shed for me yet and I've had her about a week and 3 days now, the pet store didn't say when her last shed was so.. could this be the case?

No, she's not in blue. She doesn't look hazy enough through the body to be in blue. And it's been more than a week anyways.

alright, well I'm hoping once she sheds again, she will be alright. if she ends up being blind It won't matter as long as I can give her a normal happy life :P

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alright, well I'm hoping once she sheds again, she will be alright. if she ends up being blind It won't matter as long as I can give her a normal happy life :P

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She is not blind. Her eyes look like that because im betting she was kept in an enclosure with very poor humidity! I have seen this before in a few balls that I have rescued. Make sure you keep up proper humidity levels and after a few sheds her eyes will go back to being clear and shiny! It does take awhile though and it takes great discipline to keep the humidity at a constant level! Good luck and she is a beautiful girl!!!

Aww the boa is super cute. How old is she? Also to the post master if u are really worried about your little one a vet visit wouldn't hurt. It's always good to have a piece of mind. Good luck with your little one. And Congrats on the new family member.

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Aww the boa is super cute. How old is she? Also to the post master if u are really worried about your little one a vet visit wouldn't hurt. It's always good to have a piece of mind. Good luck with your little one. And Congrats on the new family member.

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She's 3 years old and 7lbs. Maybe 2 years old in the picture (I tried to find one that showed her eye the best). And thank you, she's just a normal but will always be one of my favorites. Very sweet girl

well I have an acurite temperature/humidity reader now from walmart and put it in.

The readings I'm getting are 91-93 hot side.. and its a little low on the "cool side" at only about.. 77-78.. how do I raise that temp? the humidity is also reading 50--55%

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well I have an acurite temperature/humidity reader now from walmart and put it in.

The readings I'm getting are 91-93 hot side.. and its a little low on the "cool side" at only about.. 77-78.. how do I raise that temp? the humidity is also reading 50--55%

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Leave the snake alone - and I read your other thread - stop giving it baths. I don't care what you've been told by other posters - baths are stressful.

All of the obsessing over the snake is neither good for you or the animal - as is evidenced by the fact that you were recently discussing euthanizing a perfectly healthy animal. The low side temps are fine, the snakes eyes are fine.

You've now seen first hand the gamut of answers that you get when you post a picture of a perfectly healthy snake. Keep the temperatures in the right range, give it a humid hide, keep it's surrounding sanitary, stop the damn baths and relax.

I am with skip on this one. Humidity isn't a huge issue humid hide and it is solved. Easy. The snake looks fine.


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no offense but that doesn't help.

I had a corn snake die, after two weeks, where I did everything right, so a little paranoid and a few extra questions isn't hurting anybody.

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no offense but that doesn't help.

I had a corn snake die, after two weeks, where I did everything right, so a little paranoid and a few extra questions isn't hurting anybody.

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Asking questions isn't the issue. The issue is more complex than that.

Part of problem is controlling your anxiety.

Anxiety results in messing with the animal. It results in chasing phantom ailments. It results in stress for you and your snake.

You also need to be able to filter the advice you get here. Bathing a snake is something that should only be done in a select few situations. It causes stress and if done improperly, can result in a greater health issue than you perceive you already have.

What you can do for your snake is provide it a hot spot, a proper ambient temperature and a cool area. You need to provide it fresh water and make sure it's environment is sanitary. Humidity should be provided via a micro climate.

With ball pythons, it is imperative that you make every effort to not stress the animal. Constant bathing, constant picking the snake up to examine it and constant worrying will stress the animal.

Your snake is eating. As long as it continues to eat, continues to poop and sheds, you have nothing to worry about. If the eyes look a bit funky, give it a humid place to hang or better yet, consider than you may not be the best person to judge the acuteness of your snake's vision. Ball pythons, aspidites and other species (eye and vision wise) are very hard to do more than check on the condition of the spectacle.

All this advice on shining a light to check for pupil reactions is well-meaning but in the end, the natural behavior of the snake has led you to believe it may be blind and led to you considering euthanasia. Enough. Relax and give your snake a break from your constant administrations and your worry. Trust me, you will both be happier.

Stress kills people and animals. There is a time and place for water hydration but a feeding snake is not it. Rarely will a snake with regular meals need much extra water. If you are truely concerned soaking is not the best way the prey is. PK or live has more moisture or you can easily add a few ml to F/T. A teat cannula and syringe with clear water into the stomach of thawed rat adds more water than soaking will anyway. (Use the cannula to open the jaws and force water into stomach or lungs of the dead rodent) Severely dehydrated snakes will not eat. And they require soaking and the stress of that is out weighed because are in peril. Severely dehydrated snakes have a dry look and are very wrinkled. Eyes are often not dented but sunken. Yours looks to be very far away from this point.


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Yeah, I think I have just overly worried. I have had her almost 2 weeks now (saturday will be two weeks) and she has both times I attempted to feed, this morning, and last friday. I did have a little scare this morning as after eaten she went into a long soak in her water dish and I did notice what I'm going to assume is some mites, I bought some stuff for it and checked on a few hours later and they seem to be gone, also switched to paper towl for now from aspen to keep an eye on her.