Pinstripe x Normal.. whats going on here...

We had our first clutch of the year hatch out last weekend. We got 0.1 normal, 1.2 pinstripes, and 1.1 of these crazy reduced pattern pins. Not sure whats going on here... take a look at the pictures and tell me what you think. This is the first clutch we have produced from either of the parents. Have you guys seen anything like this? http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps1aead2eb.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps13fed471.jpghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps76843b61.jpghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps888ef003.jpg

I have no idea, personally. Those are some really awesome looking pins, though!

Those pins are defective. You can just send them on over to me. :D

Crazy cool patterns on that pair. I'd plan on breeding that male again soon...

"defective" huh? lol We think the mom is the carrier of whatever it is because she has a pretty reduced pattern herself. We have another clutch due to hatch on the 15th from the pinstripe so should have a better idea if its him.

Post pics when these guys shed! They look fantastic!

Hold backs for sure.

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Oh yeah these guys aren't going anywhere! :)

Taken care of Your Doubled Thread :gj:

Wow...those are awesome looking. Congrats!

Maybe the mom is a hgwg sibling! Even though they look normal they throw out weird babies

First thought is did you have any fluctuations with your incubator?
Second is it possible Mom is het Pied?
Third it could be moms reduced banded pattern is genetic and is really messing up the Pinstripe pattern.

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

First thought is did you have any fluctuations with your incubator?
Second is it possible Mom is het Pied?
Third it could be moms reduced banded pattern is genetic and is really messing up the Pinstripe pattern.

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The incubator stays pretty steady at 88-89 degrees.
We are definitely holding these ones back and trying to find out if it is genetic next season.

those are some crazy looking pins. whatever the mom is try throwing in a spider maybe you get some reduced spiders.

Those are pretty sweet, definitely something worth working with. They look kind of like what's called 'white sided' in mutations for other species like the black rats or the bullsnakes. Are they especially pink on the sides?

Are you sure mom isn't a low quality fire? I'm inexperienced but that's what I'd think if it was me!

Looks like maybe mom could possibly be het pied? Post a pic of her belly.

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Holy crap those things are awesome! I wondered about the incubator temps, a swing in temps or humidity could definitely cause some funk. My second thought was het pied. Third, maybe mom's reduced pattern gene is super strong. I have no idea, but I would breed them back to the parents for sure.

Awesome!

Thats so neat. Hope they are genetic funk :gj:

Any pics of the other hatchlings? I hope they are something genetic but most likely it is due to some type of incubation issue. Only real way to tell is to complete the pairing again next year.

My first thought was calico may be in play washing out the pattern but parents don't seem to have the slightest bit of calico in them.

Is it just me or does the mom seem to start to lose her pattern a bit after about half way down her body? Seems like she has alien heads, then no eyes to them and then it's just kind of melted pattern? Been a long day. Maybe it's just my eyes. :rolleye2:

Here are some photos of the rest of the clutch and of the mamas belly....http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps82ae00e6.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps62649f22.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps41530a24.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ps2fe79ee5.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psd71441e6.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pse57f4aac.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psaf717082.jpg

I'm thinking mom's reduced pattern is genetic. That's super cool!

Also, I don't think that incubation issues are the cause here. We constantly monitor our incubator. The incubator stays between 88.9-89.1 degrees at all times. The box temps are between 88-89 degrees. The humidity isn't a problem either. we have a gage in the box and keep the eggs on the egg crate grid on top of wet perlite. Guess we will just have to wait until next time to see whats happening, if it happens again. Just didn't know if any of you had seen something like this before.

The pink colour is making me think calico or sugar is in there somewhere. Could it be mom is the lowest white calico ever?

Here is a sugar pinstripe from a breeder near me. This is not my pic. I took it from his website just to compare this snake to OPs snake.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/31/jamynazu.jpg

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The pink colour is making me think calico or sugar is in there somewhere. Could it be mom is the lowest white calico ever?

Here is a sugar pinstripe from a breeder near me. This is not my pic. I took it from his website just to compare this snake to OPs snake.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/31/jamynazu.jpg

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The sugar pin was the only thing that we found that even came close to these guys. its just nuts because the mom doesn't look anything like a sugar. I guess stranger things have happened though.

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The sugar pin was the only thing that we found that even came close to these guys. its just nuts because the mom doesn't look anything like a sugar. I guess stranger things have happened though.

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Ya. Dunno man. As they age and some white flakes start to show up, it may tell more. People always say that the lowest white calico/sugars throw sexy high white babies so who knows man. That are awesome tho dude. Defiantly keep us posted on their growth.

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My first thought was orange dream pinstripe.

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I am also leaning towards Calico. Calico Pins or not, they are HOT!

you "normal" looks like an enchi

My vote is that mom is a low/no-white calico. Either that or her super reduced pattern is genetic :gj:. Either way, seems like you got yourself a really awesome dinker project :bow:!! Congrats on the lucky break :gj:!

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you "normal" looks like an enchi

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The female looks nothing like an Enchi.

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I'm thinking mom's reduced pattern is genetic. That's super cool!

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That's my guess as well. I think the pinkish coloring is just due to being fresh out of the egg...might be easier to tell after a few sheds...

Maybe mom is a low grade calico? Even if you dont find out, those still look badass! Congrats!

I also think that this has come from the mother. She doesn't quite have a 'normal' normal look about her; the reduced pattern with very contrasted outlining and the clear outlining on her back patches-she has a really hard contrasty look about her. really really low white calico/sugar is a possibility.

It'll be interesting to see those babies at 300-400 grams. I looks like they're going to be pretty high white up the sides. Very cool. They're going to make some insane spinners.

My first thought was an incubation issue, as well. Hope it proves out for you!

Those are super sharp!