Newbie Ball python owner with a couple of questions

Hi, I am a new owner to a 2013 female ball. I'm not new to snakes as I own 4 altogether, but balls are a bit different than colubrids. First question, I've had her for a little over 3 weeks, and try feeding a fuzzy mouse every Thursday. She has yet to eat for me. I've tried everything from dangling it outside her hide, to scenting it with rat, to leaving it in over night. I suppose this is a 2 part question ;) First is the size of the prey too small? And second, any tips you ball owners can offer?
She is in a 4 tub rack system with belly heat. The tape is at a constant 83-85 (hooked to a cheaper thermostat for now). I have a digital thermometer where I read to put it on the tape itself and not inside the tub. Is that ok? Should I put it inside, or just raise the temp slightly? The other 2 snakes that currently call the rack home, (corn and king) have no issues feeding. I know their temps are slightly lower than a ball, but they feed just fine at the higher temps.
And I know balls are picky eaters sometimes, and they fast for absolutely no reason, but she's just a baby! She weighed in 2 weeks ago at 74 grams and has stayed steady 72-74 so I wasn't getting too concerned, but now thinking it been such a stretch for not feeding I thought I'd go looking for opinions and tips. Any help would be appreciated, and any extra tips that might make her more comfortable would be great.

Thanks so much,
Kendra

I'd get it on RATs right away. Start with offering rat pups. If you're not going the rat route, just offer appropriate size mouse every 5-7 days.

I start all my babies on live rat pups. It peaks their interest alot. They easily switch to FT 5-10 meals later.

Basically, just keep trying to feed it every so often, until you notice it starts dropping down in weight, then you may have to assist feed(fairly simple once you know what/how to do)

Thank you for your quick response, I will look into getting some rat pups. No pet stores nearby, I buy all my feeders online, so no live available! I own 2 pet rats (both male or I'd breed) and that's how I scent the mice.

Yes, a fuzzy mouse is on the small side. We start our hatchlings on mouse hoppers, so I would suggest nothing smaller than that. Was she eating F/T before you got her? If not, I would try live for a few feedings to get her eating, then try and switch to F/T. I would also bump the hot side temp to at least 85. How big is her tub?

Yes, she had been feeding on f/t before I got her. I have small mice for my other snakes, would that work until I get rat pups? Her tub dimensions are 16 1/8" x23 3/4" x 6" /30.6 quarts.

Small mice should be about the perfect size. That tub is biggish for a hatchling, so it might help to really clutter it up with crumpled newspaper or something. I'd also recommend asking the person you got her from how they normally offered her food.

I have shredded newspaper as her bedding plus a sheet of newspaper on the bottom. She has a cave hide, that I think may be too big. I'm looking into smaller hides now. I will clutter it up some. I've heard glass aquariums aren't the best, reason I don't remember, but I have a 10 gal just sitting around. Would that maybe make her feel more secure?

Most people keep them in clear rubbermaid type containers, ranging from 6quarts/12q/28q/32q/42q. Depending on size.
A smaller aqarium would probably provide more security though. Hides should be just big enough for them to get in, they dont like oversized hides, they like to feel wedged in there.

The reason aquariums aren't the best, is most have open top type lids, which dont allow for any humidity to really hold in the environment. Easily solved with a lid adjustment. Also, glass is such a hastle to move around when cleaning. Its not as bad when you have 1 snake, but as you can see lots of us have 5-10 even 20-100 +. Glass isn't really the best option.

Depends on your situation.

I currently own 4 snakes, so yes the tubs are great for even me with my small collection that seems to get bigger each month :P I will be picking up smaller sized hides from a friend today so hopefully that will help. I am also in search of live rat pups, to try and see if that works. I'm doing everything to try and make her comfortable, worse comes to worse I will try to rehome her with a more experienced herper, as I don't want to be the reason she don't make it. I live in a small town in MI, where reptiles aren't very common, so feeders are even less common.
Are there any other tricks to try with f/t? Say she was on live, anything to transition her to frozen? I have yet to hear back, but I'm going to assume maybe that's why she's not eating as I can figure out no other reason.
I turned the thermostat up, it is now hitting 87 and staying consistant to that temp.

Thank you everybody for your replies. It is greatly appreciated!

Just make the few adjustments, give her time to settle in. Always feed in the least disturbing manor with baby balls. They frighten easily and will not eat if something spooks them.

Tips would be,
Make sure the prey is really warm. not just room temp or slightly above. It really triggers better feeding response.
Try feeding at night when active, again try not to spook the snake with any loud vibrations or the likes, shadows and whatnot.

Baby balls can be picky, but most will come around when they're hungry enough. Don't be discouraged, no need to re-home it. All it may take is a simple assist feed to get it eating again, but you're not at that point just yet.

You can also try covering the rack or blacking out the sides of her tub. I've had good results using this trick with fresh imports or stubborn hatchlings. As far as cluttering the tub up, you want it so she can't really move without touching something, even if its just crumpled paper or fake plants. I've also found it helpful to make the bedding really deep so there's less of a gap between the bedding and the top of the tub (for some reason I've had the best luck using cypress mulch for this).

As far as switching to F/T goes, my experience (I fed F/T until we started breeding feeders) was that it was easier to get them eating consistently and then make the switch. BPs can be shy eaters, but they also seem to need some movement from the prey to eat. So the problem with starting with F/T is that you have to be standing there to make the prey move.

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Originally Posted by seang89

Just make the few adjustments, give her time to settle in. Always feed in the least disturbing manor with baby balls. They frighten easily and will not eat if something spooks them.

Tips would be,
Make sure the prey is really warm. not just room temp or slightly above. It really triggers better feeding response.
Try feeding at night when active, again try not to spook the snake with any loud vibrations or the likes, shadows and whatnot.

Baby balls can be picky, but most will come around when they're hungry enough. Don't be discouraged, no need to re-home it. All it may take is a simple assist feed to get it eating again, but you're not at that point just yet.

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Thank you so much. Rehoming is the last thing I want as I care for every one of my snakes. She isn't really active at night, more so in the late morning/early afternoon. I am going to heat up a mouse now, and try tonight. It's been since Tuesday since I tried, as I knew I'd have this weekend off work to reheat the mouse if necessary. Thank you again, and when should I worry about assist feeding? Never done it or had to and don't want to injure her. Should I keep weekly, every other day weights. I know I am being ridiculous about this but I've had one baby die on me about 9 months ago. Don't ever want to go through that again.

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Originally Posted by kendra319

Thank you so much. Rehoming is the last thing I want as I care for every one of my snakes. She isn't really active at night, more so in the late morning/early afternoon. I am going to heat up a mouse now, and try tonight. It's been since Tuesday since I tried, as I knew I'd have this weekend off work to reheat the mouse if necessary. Thank you again, and when should I worry about assist feeding? Never done it or had to and don't want to injure her. Should I keep weekly, every other day weights. I know I am being ridiculous about this but I've had one baby die on me about 9 months ago. Don't ever want to go through that again.

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You should worry about assist feeding when the snake is losing notable weight. Weigh it once a week or so, no need to bother it every other day. I'd weigh it after you've tried to feed it, if it won't eat and you've already been disturbing it, may as well weigh it, put her back and try again in 5 days.
Right now just focus on letting her settle in and get comfortable. And offering nicely warm prey without spooking her.


This is what assist feeding is like. Look others up as well, its not peaches and cream all the time, it can be hard to do, but in the end, it will help the snake on the right path.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO4r2AyzvfQ

So did you find out how many meals it has had? what the previous owner had been feeding her?