Need help to identify... bumblebee or killer bee

Sir pls advise... I dont know if this is a bumblebee or a killer bee the mother was a pastel father was a bumble bee

I am confused ....
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[IMG]http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps89a84ecc.jpg[/IMG] after its first shed

Different light would be helpful but it appears to be a killer. There is a bit of a band of color though and different light would really help.

I believe that's a bumblebee

I'd say its a killer, the head is really bald and you have the blue coming through where the eyes are. Also, the cut egg pic screams killer bee. I'd say get some better light and take some more pics of it. Although, I have yet to hatch out any bumblebees or KBs as my first breeding year will be 2014.

Killer bee!! See how much more distinct the head markings are on a bumblebee:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/22/y9aqa8em.jpg

I would say Killerbee also. Not enough black contrast to be just a bee.

Tough call. But I say its a nice Bumblebee


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Split input begs for pics in better light.

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Split input begs for pics in better light.

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I second this ^^, but judging the egg picture and head pattern, I'm saying Killerbee. That head is way more washed out and clear than a typical bumble bee. Looking forwar to new pics :D

Calder

I'm no pro, but that head looks killer not bumblebee to me. But agree, lets see more pics in better light.

My vote is for Killerbee. I can't imagine just a straight up Bumblebee having a head that clear.

i will post some pics.. as soon as possible tnx for the comments

I vote killer bee because
1. the black pattern is faded
2. the head pattern is extremely reduced
3. there's a lack of yellow pigment (even though the pictures might not show that last one as much)

again, more pics would help! nice snake either way!

killer bee head is too light for bee..

Additional pics... BTW. Shes a female



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Yep, she's still a killer bee ;)

Well the light is still the same in those pics lol. But it's definitely a killer bee.

Still a killerbee. Congrats! Just curious, what were teh other babies in the clutch?

Calder

I agree with the majority. Killer bee :gj:

its a split clutch from a pastel fem to a bumblebee and pinstripe male

male
1pinstripe
1spider
1normal
1super pastel

female
1lemon blast
1 spider
1pastel
1normal
1 killerbee the one posted to be identified



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Nice odds! And a double sired clutch!

Judging by the head, even in the first pics I'd say it's a killer

Killer

Looks like many think it gives killer head.

yeah I'm going with killer too! congrats!!

Just out of curiosity how did u get an awesome killer bee out of pastel and bee? I'm still learning. But I thought the pastel would have to be super?

Each parent gives 1/2 of their genes to the baby split right down the middle. A super just means you guarantee 1 copy of pastel because either half has a copy. 100% of the babies get 1 copy of pastel. You can still only get a single copy per parent. The bumble bee has 1 copy of pastel so when you split it down the middle, only 50% of the babies get the pastel. Bumble Bee x Pastel gives a killer because the 50% chance from one parent overlapped with the 50% chance from the other parent.

Ok I think I understand, I guess I have a lot more to learn about genetics

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I vote killer bee because
1. the black pattern is faded
2. the head pattern is extremely reduced
3. there's a lack of yellow pigment (even though the pictures might not show that last one as much)

again, more pics would help! nice snake either way!

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http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/26/5eqy7yqe.jpg.
I'd say killer bee here is my 2013 killerbee 66% het clown

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Definitely a Killer. The faded head says it all.

Since there's so much debate I'll take her off your hands!!

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The head isn't as big of a tell for me as the color of the black. It's a killer bee just to answer.

This is a Bumblebee. Notice the color of the black
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...p/DSC_0390.jpg

This is a Killer bee enchi. But notice the color of the "Black"
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/DSC_0978.jpg

The head get really wiped out from the enchi on this one.
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/DSC_0979.jpg

Yeah that's Def true I've seen bumble bees with pretty faded heads but never faded black pattern
Love,love that killer bee enchi
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As they get older it becomes really easy because bumble bees brown out where killer bees don't ,now there's always exceptions and some hold bright yellow much mire as they age but in general

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I'm on the killer bee bandwagon as well. The bleached head and faded black markings give that one away. :)