Feeding treated rats?

So I had a rather lice problem and treated them with some Ivermectin. The last dose was on May, 12. My friend just got an enchi and is eating rat fuzzies. I have 30 babies at the moment all a little over a week old. I wanted to give him a few, but how long should I wait? Do I have to wait months? Weeks? I really don't know. My pet shop currently only has small mice, he is eating two a sitting that's 12 bucks a feeding. Just trying to help him out a bit. Thanks!

I think some people said they fed treated rats without problems. If the rats are a week old and the last dose was before that, it means they were born from a treated mom. If treating the mom didn't harm the fetuses inside her, I can't imagine it would harm a reptile. If you were feeding to some kind of insect there might be a problem.

Don't hold me to it, but I think you're probably in the clear.

Do a search on 'Ivomec' at http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...index.cfm?gb=1 for withdrawal times for cattle and swine pre-slaughter for human consumption.

Also, there's a very strong warning about ivermectin use in reptiles at http://www.anapsid.org/resources/rxdose.html so I would be overcautious.

I honestly wouldn't feed treated rats. I mentioned this is your other thread. I would wait at least 3 weeks for the drug to leave the system. I mean, its up to you, but I wouldn't risk it.


Just to say, be careful when using Anapsid as a source. Its all garbage. Anyone here will tell you that Melissa Kaplan is unknowledgeable and gives out poor outdated advice regarding reptiles.


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Originally Posted by satomi325

Just to say, be careful when using Anapsid as a source. Its all garbage. Anyone here will tell you that Melissa Kaplan is unknowledgeable and gives out poor outdated advice regarding reptiles.

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Thanks I was unaware of that.

Hopefully the FDA info will help the OP more. I noted in some instances there was a five week withdrawal time before slaughter, and humans are pretty tolerant of ivermectin - though many don't want to know that we're ingesting dewormer with our t-bone. :D

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Hopefully the FDA info will help the OP more. I noted in some instances there was a five week withdrawal time before slaughter, and humans are pretty tolerant of ivermectin - though many don't want to know that we're ingesting dewormer with our t-bone. :D

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:8: LMAO - Give me dewormer in my t-bone over worms any day!!

It is true however that Merck does not recommend it in reptiles.
... but it is recommended that ivermectins and milbemycins be avoided.
Merck vet manual.

As far as that goes they do not generally recommend it in birds or lab animals either.


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I honestly wouldn't feed treated rats. I mentioned this is your other thread. I would wait at least 3 weeks for the drug to leave the system. I mean, its up to you, but I wouldn't risk it.


Just to say, be careful when using Anapsid as a source. Its all garbage. Anyone here will tell you that Melissa Kaplan is unknowledgeable and gives out poor outdated advice regarding reptiles.


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Yes I remember actually, but I forgot I had that thread :p I am just confused because you say not to use them as feeders, and then say wait three weeks. So if I give them a month from today would they be okay to feed? Otherwise I will just kill them off now and dispose of them. No point to have 30 rats I cant use as feeders.

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Yes I remember actually, but I forgot I had that thread :p I am just confused because you say not to use them as feeders, and then say wait three weeks. So if I give them a month from today would they be okay to feed? Otherwise I will just kill them off now and dispose of them. No point to have 30 rats I cant use as feeders.

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I wouldn't recommend feeding any rats that have Ivermectin in their system *now*. I say you can probably feed them off later, because Ivermectin will be gone by then. I'm not saying that it will be all gone in 3 weeks. It might. But if it is still there, it won't be as strong/concentrated then compared to now. Not as risky...

But Jerry (snakesRkewl) said he's fed off treated rats fine without any negative effect to the snakes. So that is really your call in the end. It's your snakes and rats.

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I wouldn't recommend feeding any rats that have Ivermectin in their system *now*. I say you can probably feed them off later, because Ivermectin will be gone by then. I'm not saying that it will be all gone in 3 weeks. It might. But if it is still there, it won't be as strong/concentrated then compared to now. Not as risky...

But Jerry (snakesRkewl) said he's fed off treated rats fine without any negative effect to the snakes. So that is really your call in the end. It's your snakes and rats.

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Yes I remember him saying that, their lied my dilemma. You were saying not to feed and he was saying he did it without any issues. I dont want to harm my snakes, 30 small rats is $300 worth of food where I am. I guess it would be ok if I leave them for another month or so?

Did you look at the FDA withdrawal times for slaughtering larger critters treated with Ivomec? I only glanced at a few, but noted one listed at 35 days.

Personally, I would look at the max time given and feed the rats to my critters no sooner than that. Rodents probably have higher metabolisms than food animals anyway so there shouldn't be much ivermectin left if you wait for that duration.

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Did you look at the FDA withdrawal times for slaughtering larger critters treated with Ivomec? I only glanced at a few, but noted one listed at 35 days.

Personally, I would look at the max time given and feed the rats to my critters no sooner than that. Rodents probably have higher metabolisms than food animals anyway so there shouldn't be much ivermectin left if you wait for that duration.

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I looked and could not find anything, other than do not use on horses intended for human consumption.

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I looked and could not find anything, other than do not use on horses intended for human consumption.

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It's in one of the links posted above. I am copying and pasting a few for you:

Withdrawal Time Cattle excluding veal: 35 days before slaughter. Swine: 18 days before slaughter. Reindeer: 56 days before slaughter. Bison: 56 days before slaughter. Milk: no withdrawal has been established.

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It's in one of the links posted above. I am copying and pasting a few for you:

Withdrawal Time Cattle excluding veal: 35 days before slaughter. Swine: 18 days before slaughter. Reindeer: 56 days before slaughter. Bison: 56 days before slaughter. Milk: no withdrawal has been established.

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Thank you, I guess I will wait another month before culling them. Just to be on the safe side, they only got a very tiny dosage.