Sold as a Yellow Belly - Is it?

This snake was listed on Craigs list as a yellow belly. The young man had a receipt from a well known, reputable dealer. I’ve taken a few photos – please tell me what you think....

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...nabe-belly.jpg

I'll have to post a link to the rest of the photos - it's taking too long to put these into this post....

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...nnabe-head.jpg

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...nnabe-side.jpg

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...nabe-side2.jpg

Andy-

Not seeing YB, personally. Any pics of the receipt?

Looks like one to me

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Not seeing YB, personally. Any pics of the receipt?

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I didn't take a photo of the receipt, but I did SEE it and it said 0.1 YB Ball Python.
I've purchased 6+ snakes from the same dealer and I recognized the receipt as being legitimate. It’s not something the guy could have make up.

I’m just not seeing the YB in this snake. I have two others and there’s no question, but I’ve seen some YB’s (adults) that I thought looked pretty normal. But I’m no expert – for sure! I’m just wondering if this may just be a REALLY poor looking YB.

The guy sold this with another YB as a pair. The other snake was obviously a YB. I really wanted the other one, so I purchased them both. It was a good deal, regardless. I’ll have fun proving it out in any case.

Andy

It could be but the belly is throwing me off. It's not quite the traditional belly of one but it does have some traits. I had a YB male that produced babies with a very obvious belly pattern, but he also produced some with a less obvious patten that were still yellow bellies.

With that one I'd hesitate to say yes for sure without breeding it.

Post full body pics and try to get it to coil up, then quickly flip it over with your camera ready and get some more complete belly shots.

Nothing screams YB from those pics.

Post pics of the full body. And post pics of the YB clutchmate you got with it.

im not seeing yb

I'm not seeing YB either.

no yellow belly.

Even if it is a YB, i wouldnt breed it. Its not very high quality. I think the breeder made a mistake on that one.

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Post pics of the full body. And post pics of the YB clutchmate you got with it.

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The other snake wasn't from the same clutch - he got it from a breeder/friend.

I'll try and get more belly photos tomorrow.

Andy-:snake:

Oh ok.

Be sure to get top of the body photos too.

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Even if it is a YB, i wouldnt breed it. Its not very high quality. I think the breeder made a mistake on that one.

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I'm thinking (maybe) the guy got the two snakes confused and his breeder/friend sold/gave him either a poor YB or a bill-a-goods. I trust the guys he said he got it from.

If I didn't breed her to another YB, would I just use her as a 'normal'? or not breed her at all?

Would a poor quality YB produce all poor-quality offspring or could it produce better YBs?

Andy-:snake:

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Originally Posted by Andys-Python

Would a poor quality YB produce all poor-quality offspring or could it produce better YBs?

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I'm wondering this too.

I'm a noob just getting my bearings with the yellowbelly thing, but I've been doing some research and own a couple, so here's my 2 cents:

-It has a head blush, but it's not the quintessential complete blush dot.
-It has flames, but not super nice ones
-It has a yellowbelly belly. Checkering on the sides, and white down the center.

So, to me...it's either low quality (bringing us to the above question of whether a low quality YB can produce high quality offspring) or it's a nice normal.

I had a really low expression YB male for a while, he was subtle, but you could tell he was YB. This one.... I really have my doubts.

If this is really a female, and you want to breed her to see if she is YB, then the male you get better be centerfold quality YB. I mean drop dead gorgeous, holy cow what a snake YB. If you get an ivory, then you know. If not, you should still get amazing YB babies.

Gale

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Originally Posted by sharkrocket

I'm wondering this too.

I'm a noob just getting my bearings with the yellowbelly thing, but I've been doing some research and own a couple, so here's my 2 cents:

-It has a head blush, but it's not the quintessential complete blush dot.
-It has flames, but not super nice ones
-It has a yellowbelly belly. Checkering on the sides, and white down the center.

So, to me...it's either low quality (bringing us to the above question of whether a low quality YB can produce high quality offspring) or it's a nice normal.

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It doesn't have a YB belly. Wrong kind of checkering. That is a normal belly.



These are YB bellies:


http://www.ballpython777.com/yellowb...ly05female.jpg

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...lly_female.jpg

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/speci...lowbelly-v.jpg

http://www.ekmpowershop27.com/ekmps/...0g--5076-p.jpg

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Originally Posted by angllady2

then the male you get better be centerfold quality YB.

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Can't believe i just read gale say something like this haha! :O

Here's some more photos. She wouldn't hold a coil for belly pics, but I did the best I could.

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...Wannabe-01.jpg

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...e-belly-01.jpg

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...e-belly-02.jpg

http://orchidenterprise.com/Life_Out...e-belly-03.jpg

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If this is really a female, and you want to breed her to see if she is YB, then the male you get better be centerfold quality YB. I mean drop dead gorgeous, holy cow what a snake YB. If you get an ivory, then you know. If not, you should still get amazing YB babies.

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Well, the male isn't the BEST YB I've seen, but my other female is 'centerfold' quality. She's the best YB I've seen. Much like the first one pictured in satomi325's post.

I have several years to decide what I want to do with her. She's only about 200 gms. Maybe she will get better with age???

Andy

I still really have my doubts.

As a baby, her YB should be more noticeable than as she ages. I was looking for pictures of my low expression Yb male, but it seems I must have deleted them after I sold him. :(

I believe if it were me, I would make breeding plans for her as if she were a normal, and if she surprises you then great. But if she doesn't prove to be YB, then you won't be dissapointed.

Gale

Still not a YB imo.

Sorry but I dont see YB either....

Well,
I have my doubts too - serious doubts. I may just take her to the place the seller got her from and ask them to look her over. I think it would be a riot if they agreed that it wasn't a YB!! I would never tell them that they sold it as a YB, because I don't know that for a fact. I got the male with her that is, with out a doubt, a YB and that's what I wanted. It's just killing me now - not knowing. It would be educational to know that there are Yellow Bellys that look 'normal'.

Funny - I have a normal that looks more Yellow Belly than this one does!

Thanks everyone for your comments. If I decide to breed her with another 'Center-fold' kinda male and I get an Ivory, I'll let you all know!

Andy-

Is it possible the buyer mixed this one up?
I see no YB at all but that is already proven.

Nope, normal :-/