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:colbert: nothing about this is cool

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I'd like to chop something's head off too. It definitely would not be the snake though...

Yeah, I posted that link in the other thread.

I just watched it all the way through. WOW!

I have tried to be open minded and polite to Joe but his videos make it difficult.

Joe,

I don't understand your obsession with "tame" bloods. Why would you chop its head off for biting you? It's absolutely ridiculous. Grow up. If your that afraid of a bite then you should not own snakes.

You claim to have owned a lot of snakes(flipping does not count) over the years and to have tons of experience. Your videos don't show any proof of that. You have questionable advise and keeping techniques with a seemingly strange mindset.

This is the second time I have seen you refer to a "PR" animal. What it that to you?

Do you actually have any snakes that you keep and not flip? If so, what?

Wait....Is this clown actually a member here?!

Yes he is. Goes by JoeNapoli.

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Wait....Is this clown actually a member here?!

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Yes, under the same name as on YouTube.

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Yeah. Not trying to stir things up but he goes by the same name on here as his youtube channel. Beware when reading his posts.

Other youtube gems include housing a baby blood with an adult in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOL8N_zHmmw

Housing a sick blood at cool temps, low humidity, in a tub I can only hope gets fully sanitized daily:

It goes on. Very weird obsession with CH animals over healthy and adjusted CB animals, and with animals that are "tame." Just be aware before you take his advice.

Oh good lord.

Thanks for the info.

I am happy folks are getting the chance to see this. I for one would NOT want a guy like this buying animals from me.

*shudder* Always knew something was 'off' with this guy. :mad:

After seeing that video all i gotta say is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...aeljr/nuke.jpg

Guys,

Stop linking to videos with swearing in them - it isn't necessary to make your case.


dr del

I've never seen the word tame so many times in one place. I don't think I need or want to see the video in question, but damn. Good to know not to do business with this.

I can't imagine what the rat breeding program is like.

I don't want or need to see the video, but what I've read makes be sick. Killing an animal because it bit you? Not acceptable.


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Yeah no swearing. Like 90 plus % of dudes on here are kids :colbert: :rolleye2:

I hope this guy doesn't own children. Creepy weirdo should tame a cinderblock to the crotch.....wakka wakka

Yikes..... I think this guy needs to stick to digital pets and rocks if he's so worried about bites and 'untamed' animals.

Sorry dude, but bites are not a huge deal. And why cull a perfectly healthy animal just because you got bit?? Rather unnecessary and extreme if you ask me......


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Yeah no swearing. Like 90 plus % of dudes on here are kids :colbert: :rolleye2:

I hope this guy doesn't own children. Creepy weirdo should tame a cinderblock to the crotch.....wakka wakka

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It's in the rules you agreed to when you joined. It's important to us that parents feel safe about letting their children use the forum.

If I can cope with it I'm sure you can too.

First of all I want to thank all of you for watching my videos, and most especially for embedding the links on various other forums, I do mean this sincerely, though many of you probably think you are reading sarcasm. I do however ask that, whenever written descriptions are provided in the box below the vid, you take the time to read them. The written portions are available only on YouTube and not on Frequency.com oh and thanks again for linking it there, really.

2nd, you have seen my face on 1 of the vids so you all know what I look like. And since none of you have chosen to add me to your "ignore list" (and, also sincerely expressed and devoid of sarcasm: I am flattered to see that you guys just can't ignore me & my posts) - even though I had suggested you do so - you also know that we will be at the Hamburg Expo in 4 weeks. Now, I don't know what any of you look like but since you know what I look like please do find me there at the expo and address me in person in the same manner that you do here, so that you can be properly thanked :P

3rd, if you can't discern between the nuances of a serious tone of voice and a joking tone of voice then you are pathetic, really pathetic. I suppose if you heard my friends here (real life friends I mean, not cyber) "threaten" that they were gonna kill me you'd call 911? For the record I have never decapitated a captive snake. (Did you see a machete in the vid?) In the past when snakes have bitten me, I resell them or trade them, or a combination of both.

Last but not least, these attacks against me are not based so much on principle than on a personal bias against me from another forum that I had belonged to last Winter. It's a small, insignificant forum of <200 members, and envious of the power of this forum's >30K members. It's also not a real forum per se, but more reminiscent of an infomercial, a photo gallery. In fact, only a dozen or so of its members are actually active there. And half of those are the site's sponsors themselves with their links at the top of the portal. The owners of that tiny gathering would like to claim that they "banned me for being rude" (if you read my posts there you will be hard pressed to find any rudeness). But truth be told I stopped using that forum when one day a Black-American friend of mine was visiting. That forum was on my screen and as she walked by it she stopped in her tracks and pointed out that an avatar contained a racial slur and a pic of a Black child. I was embarrassed and ashamed to be using that site and surprised that I had never noticed that before. I guess if I were a Black-American I'd be more attuned to prejudice. That was the last day I logged onto that group. To make matters even worse that avatar belonged an OWNER of that group!

I was banned from that group for my 1st post on here on THIS sub-forum! Simply add up the days between my last post on that forum and the day that I was supposedly "banned" and you will clearly see what I mean. Oh, and check out the racial slur there that I'm talking about, before they remove it.

That's it. Oh just one last thing: I usually have to meet people in person to get them so riled up. I guess I must be getting better with age :P

amazing.
Who does that sort of crap?! I mean, I have a great sense of humor... but nothing about this is funny... it's really sad and pathetic.
You bought a Blood Python, you should expect bites and hisses..... with ANY snake you should expect bites and hisses.... it's just how they are naturally, they are hardwired to act that way. Expecting something different shows how insane this guy is!
How is he a member on here after having so much flack with the members on this site and on this youtube channel?
Can he not be banned from here?

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Why did he break any of our TOS?

We don't ban people just because we do not like them or some members decide they do not like them, some forum may do so but we do not, we ban people based on the infractions they have collected.

100 Points - 1 Month Ban.
150 Points - Permanent ban.

Look, I've never met you Joe, or even heard about you til an hour ago.... for all I know people might be over-reacting, like you say.
BUT
There are people who I respect HIGHLY on here who do not condone or like your behavior or your posts, so, because I don't know you and because of the people I respect, I do not like you or your posts.
So I doubt they are over reacting like you think.

Trying to make yourself sound like a respectable person actually does the opposite when nobody thinks your words have meaning.
I don't really want to get into a fight.... but I do want to give you a peice of my mind.

Can someone PM me this video?

From what I gather, you might have made a "joke" about cutting off a snakes head for being mean. Tell whatever kinds of jokes you want.. but if you expect people who LOVE these animals to find that funny.. you are kidding yourself!

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Why did he break any of our TOS?

We don't ban people just because we do not like them or some members decide they do not like them, some forum may do so but we do not, we ban people based on the infractions they have collected.

100 Points - 1 Month Ban.
150 Points - Permanent ban.

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I get where you are coming from.... those are the site principals, understandable....
I can't argue with that, because it's reasonably fair to all the members... and I can appreciate the policies.


Also, I would like the video PM-ed to me as well, I'd like to see what all the fuss is about.

Okay so I watched the video.

To me, this video did not represent the personality of a snake lover.

Joe, it is clear from your video that you really don't care about these animals. You only care for them until they bite you. That to me is just absurd. You are in the wrong business if that is what makes you give up an animal. These animals bite for a variety of reasons. If they bite you once it doesn't mean they are going to constantly munch on you. And even if they did bite you more than once, you would so easily just give them up? That just shows a lack of commitment to an animal that can live 20 years +

Also, why would you say in your video that its too cold outside?? Why would you admit that you are exposing them to temperatures that are not comfortable for the animals? Also, why would you take pride in "flipping" animals?

If that is the kind of person you want to be in this business, so be it. But know that many potential customers will be turned off from ever purchasing from you because of your "jokes" and the way you talk about your animals. It is just not professional and shows a general disrespect for these gorgeous animals.

Kaorte
I agree X's 1,000,000
I haven't watched it yet, I cannot find the video... but from what you described, I feel the same way as you do.
I can only gauge the severity of the video and it's contents based on the reactions of my fellow members, but from what they are saying and how they feel, I must inquire that I don't believe Joe should keep any reptile...

Wouldn't be surprised if a BOI goes up about you, Joe, after this garbage has gone psudeo-viral.

Perhaps not a BOI, but just a clear cut do not interact measure throughout the hobby.

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That's it. Oh just one last thing: I usually have to meet people [I

in[/I] person to get them so riled up. I guess I must be getting better with age :P

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I see that you still think most if us are ADD. Nice try to turn this thread around and see you as a victim. It didn't work and your not.

I think this post tells you all you need to know about yourself.

What is the proper way you would like to thank people? I'm not going to make the show to see it.

How bout answering the questions I had about your collection? I Think you are not a snake owner but merely a snake flipper.

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Last but not least, these attacks against me are not based so much on principle than on a personal bias against me from another forum that I had belonged to last Winter. It's a small, insignificant forum of <200 members, and envious of the power of this forum's >30K members. It's also not a real forum per se, but more reminiscent of an infomercial, a photo gallery. In fact, only a dozen or so of its members are actually active there. And half of those are the site's sponsors themselves with their links at the top of the portal. The owners of that tiny gathering would like to claim that they "banned me for being rude" (if you read my posts there you will be hard pressed to find any rudeness). But truth be told I stopped using that forum when one day a Black-American friend of mine was visiting. That forum was on my screen and as she walked by it she stopped in her tracks and pointed out that an avatar contained a racial slur and a pic of a Black child. I was embarrassed and ashamed to be using that site and surprised that I had never noticed that before. I guess if I were a Black-American I'd be more attuned to prejudice. That was the last day I logged onto that group. To make matters even worse that avatar belonged an OWNER of that group!

I was banned from that group for my 1st post on here on THIS sub-forum! Simply add up the days between my last post on that forum and the day that I was supposedly "banned" and you will clearly see what I mean. Oh, and check out the racial slur there that I'm talking about, before they remove it.

That's it. Oh just one last thing: I usually have to meet people in person to get them so riled up. I guess I must be getting better with age :P

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Let's clear the air here right now. You sir, were banned, by ME, from MY forum, for YOUR disrespectful and antagonistic behavior. I have never had to ban anyone before. You are the first and only. My forum is a very peaceful, easy going, family oriented place, and I will always do what I have to do to keep it that way. There are VERY very well respected individuals/keepers/breeders that are a big part of our place, most who will forget in their lifetime more than you will ever THINK you know. Before you were banned, I recieved multiple negative PM's in regards to you. Your constant jabs at keepers with larger collections and insinuations were tiring, and all you accomplished there was to aggravate a bunch of people. That and your constant criticism of others' animals soley based on the fact that they are not 'normals.' Never anything positive to contribute, rarely anything decent to say. Believe me, you being banned was not based on just the fact that you 'were not liked,' as that would be nonsense. It was soley based on your own actions. You keep trying to assault the integrity of my forum, but it means absolutely NOTHING to me, considering the source. Last but certainly not least, the avatar you speak of, belongs to my husband, whos MOTHER is African American, making him half African American himself. The avatar is not intended to be derogatory, it is of comedic nature. Your actions and behavior is what is causing folks to have the reactions they are having towards you. It's as simple as that. You are certainly no victim here. I'm no 'tough guy' either, but I would certainly not mind seeing you in person at a show, as I would have NO problem telling you what I think, in person, should the opportunity arise, though that would just be a waste of my time. I am glad you are portraying how you really are in your videos. I know I would NEVER want any of my animals to end up in your 'care' after what I know now. (Oh wait, that's right, all of my animals would be hideous in your book since they are not 'normals.') That's about all I have left to say on the matter.

I watched the video, and I find the "joke" distasteful, and I'm not exactly thrilled with having snakes that require a temp above 85 degrees outside on a "cool day".
In all honesty,
I could not find a problem besides what I mentioned above, he was gentle when touching the snakes and the only "roughness" was when he would touch thier heads. He made a tasteless joke, and had his snakes out in less than favorable condtions. Those are his only infractions I found in that particular video.

I took time and watched other videos of his, and again, in all honesty, I couldn't tind anything wrong with how he handled his snakes or with what he said. With having no prior knowledge of Joe, and having limited knowledge about Blood Pythons, I believe the reactions from the other members was blown out of proportion. He may have said or done something in the past to get under a few member's skin, but there was no abuse of the snakes and no scars and the snakes didn't fear him in the videos. He may not sound enthused or like a "snake lover" in his videos, but he certainly didn't sound intent on acting upon his "joke" and he didn't make the same "joke" twice. He voiced his love for the species, and love for the normal morph of the species... and never said anything negative about his snakes. Except for the one comment, or "joke".

I know I am contradicting myself in this post compared to my previous posts, but I just want to be fair, and give my honest outlook on the situation since I have now watched the said video in it's entirety, and other videos. While I am voicing a seperate oppinion about the video and situation at hand compared to the other users (and myself originally), I believe I am just being absolutely real and just with my oppinion and outlook about the video and his behavior and his ability to care for his snakes. I find nothing wrong, just a bad, senseless joke that got a bad reaction.

I appologize to my fellow members for my honesty, I'm sure a few of you won't appreciate my oppinion,
and I appologize to Joe... I reacted strongly before I even had a chance to judge the video for myself, which was unfair,
Sometimes someone's sense of humor doesn't get translated well with someone else's sense of humor, and while I don't find the joke funny, I don't find it to be a direct threat to the snake's life. Just a bad joke.

Anyone can make comments about killing a animal that bites them in harsh jest (just as I sometimes joke about giving away one of my dogs because it poops on the floor) and not mean it and simply be in sort of maybe poor taste....

I think much of the issues will be more in the husbandry, the quick sales, and the complete lack of understanding of a typical snake's behavior. A snake generally doesn't bite out of a decision to be "mean" but from a perceived threat.

I've had a ball python that was 'mean' and struck all the time. I tried every trick I heard of(short of stupid ones that would be harmful, of course) and ended up leaving her alone except for needed water/feeding/cleaning. I would have quite happily sold her if I could have gotten a decent price for a bitey snake. She wasn't a pet, she didn't want to be a pet, and would likely never become a pet. She was still a magnificent animal and I didn't take it personally that she didn't want this giant naked monkey grabbing her and messing about with her. She was just a python and I respected her nature.

But I can guarantee there were days that when she'd nailed my wrist yet again, that I would tell her quite loudly what I would like to do to her. I never once harmed her, never intended to harm her. It was just frustrated words.

Now if someone has some sort of proof that he was killing snakes for nothing but the 'crime' of being bitey, then he's a jerk who should have his name plastered everywhere so people don't sell him their own animals. IF he just made a stupid remark, no harm.

I feel like people are starting to miss the point since the video was removed. I don't think anyone who saw the video thought he was ACTUALLY going to kill the snake if it bit.

The issues are husbandry based, a general disrespect for the animals, and how judgmental he is of other users who do well with this species.

Let's see. He hates rack set ups because he saw a video of a guy trying to sell cages say racks shouldn't be used for bloods. Even so, he makes sure to make jabs about people who keep bloods in racks. Gosh, you'd probably expect someone like that to keep his snakes in nice cages. Nope, he keeps them in glass tanks.

He says people who keep a lot of snakes do not provide adequate care for their animals and they are sub-par. He has let several well respected members on here know that he thinks their keeping is inferior to his based on the fact that they keep several alone. What does he do? He gets a bunch of animals and turns out to be a flipper.

He buys an animal for a charity auction and then talks about how ugly it is because it isn't normal in that very video.

He says you should have water dishes big enough for the blood to soak, but if anyone looked at the video I showed where he is housing an ADULT with a near HATCHLING, there is no way the adult can use any of the provided hides or the water dish because the fish tank is just too small for it.

Speaking of housing animals together, he has done it before for extended periods. Note that bloods have been known to cannibalize.

So while criticizing people who keep many snakes and who use racks, this guy still houses them improperly. There is NO REASON an adult should be squished in that tank with a baby for any amount of time.

He also feeds small meals every day, saying it is how snakes were meant to be and criticized people who fed large meals less often. Mmmmm.

He is letting a sick snake out at 75 degrees, on a bedding which is more likely to harbor infection. If he changes it daily, could be okay. I do not care if the temperature was temporary, why would you even do that to a sick snake? ALSO did NO ONE notice he touched a healthy snake immediately after handling the sick one in that video??

My beefs are not with his stupid joke, it is with his keeping, his lack of care about the animals, and his general poor advise and criticism of people who are actually giving good advice.

He can be well written which is why I am pointing these things out at all. People who don't know much of bloods may not know how detrimental some of his keeping practices are, or how he has no reason to feel so superior. This can be confusing for keepers new to bloods, and this had to be pointed out.

That's the thing....how can you CONSTANTLY insult everyone who keeps snakes in racks, or everyone that has more than a handfull of animals, or folks who keep other types than normals, in your posts and videos, and NOT expect people to say something to you about it? It's like you are ASKING to get called out.

Then, when even more attention is drawn to your vids, people will start noticing the poor husbandry, etc, and start calling you out on that too.

Especially in your video where you're talking about the het albino you have that you won from our charity auction.....how you call the breeder a derogatory name for having bred albino into the animal? That's just sheer disrespect, and utter ignorance to a fellow keeper.

Reminds me of when a child starts behaving badly, because they want attention, wether it's negative or not.

It is one thing to curse your snakes over your breathe when they bite you.. it is another to videotape it and put it out for the world to see.

Sure I say some things that most people wouldn't find kosher.. but the difference is that I don't advertise that. I don't videotape that or write about it all over the internet.

Also the bashing of how people keep their animals.. this is an old old debate. We've concluded long ago that anyone can keep their animals however they want as long as their basic needs and temps are met. If Joe here thinks that housing his animals together is something he can handle, so be it. I don't feel the need (like joe here) to impose my keeping practices on everyone who doesn't do things the same way I do.

Joe, you should show the same courtesy to your fellow reptile keepers by not bashing their keeping practices or what animals they choose to breed. If you want to be taken seriously that is.

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Also the bashing of how people keep their animals.. this is an old old debate. We've concluded long ago that anyone can keep their animals however they want as long as their basic needs and temps are met. If Joe here thinks that housing his animals together is something he can handle, so be it. I don't feel the need (like joe here) to impose my keeping practices on everyone who doesn't do things the same way I do.

Joe, you should show the same courtesy to your fellow reptile keepers by not bashing their keeping practices or what animals they choose to breed. If you want to be taken seriously that is.

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I agree with the exception of the treatment of the sick snake and housing two animals with vast size differences together (just asking for trouble). Anything else, it doesn't matter. If he can house them correctly in fish tanks, let him. If his animals do well fed every day, good for him. I completely agree he really should show more courtesy for other tried and true methods instead of dishing out criticism for everything, and that is why he grates on so many users.

It is also frustrating to see him criticize a user for "bad" husbandry, say what is "the right way to do it," and then seeing something else entirely in his videos! At least be consistent. If you think people who have lots of snakes provide poor husbandry and do not care about their animals as much as you do, how about don't get a ton of snakes and flip them yourself. If you think bloods should be able to soak in their dishes and you criticize others for not doing so, then give YOUR snakes bowls that are actually big enough. Etc...