Snake needs help

Little about my snake.

I got my ball python around January funerary he was about 5-7 months old? (he was still a baby when i got him). He eats great, 1 mouse a week. (Hasn't given up a meal yet.) He is well tempered, around everyone in my family. (no bites, or attempted bites.) he shed shortly after i got him, 2-3weeks after i got him, first shed didn't come off in one piece. (humidity problem, it is solved now.). now, lets fast forward April, he shedded again, it came all off in one piece, no problems. then end-beginning of march he got mites. (I got em from the pet store). I didn't have the mite medicine for him. So i went to my local pet store to see if they have any remeditys for him. The guy behind the counter suggested soaking him in mineral water. Without researching if it was a good idea, I soaked him. (march 4th?) fast forward a week, I noticed him not being well rounded, and some of his scales are falling off.

He use to be rounded (firm) but now hes triangle, and mushes, also I noticed some of his scales falling off, or I think they are. I still see the outline of the scales when they come off.



I'm taking him to a walk in vet on Tuesday. to see if I can do anything for him.
I'm just wondering what I can do for him now. his last feed was Monday, I'm thinking about skipping his meal this week, or until after the vet check up.

For now I would quit the soaking, there is no need for it. For mites I would recommend http://www.reptilebasics.com/reptile-relief-8-oz.


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Also what are your temps/humidity and how are you measuring them.


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temps are 89-91 on hot side. (thermostat) cool side, around 80.
Haven't measured humidity in awhile, I figure it to be high. I keep a heat lamp over the lamp so it evaporates. (thus humidity). I guess the humidity could be too high?
I'll see if I could find the humidity gauge for my tank.

Also hes in a fish tank.

Do you have a thermometer in addition to the thermostat, to measure the hot side temps? If so, what kind (digital or analog)? Where is your thermostat probe? How long did you soak him for? How warm was the water? Keep in mind that if the water feels warm to you, it will feel hot to your snake.

Also, what kind of mineral water (plain "spring water" or something else) did you soak him in? I have never heard of that remedy before.

Pictures?

You need to get Provet-a-Mite: http://www.pro-products.com/index.ph...d=53&Itemid=59

Reptile relief is garbage and it won't get rid of the mites completely like PAM will.

Did you soak your snake in mineral oil? That is what it sounds like. That would explain why the scales are sloughing off like that.

You don't have to soak your snake in anything special to drown the mites on the snakes body. Plain old water and a drop or two of dawn dish soap will do the trick. But PAM (not to be confused with the cooking spray) is the only way to get rid of them for good and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

You need to get Provet-a-Mite: http://www.pro-products.com/index.ph...d=53&Itemid=59

Reptile relief is garbage and it won't get rid of the mites completely like PAM will.

Did you soak your snake in mineral oil? That is what it sounds like. That would explain why the scales are sloughing off like that.

You don't have to soak your snake in anything special to drown the mites on the snakes body. Plain old water and a drop or two of dawn dish soap will do the trick. But PAM (not to be confused with the cooking spray) is the only way to get rid of them for good and be done with it.

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Besides saying its garbage do you have anything to back up this claim, facts maybe? Here is the product description from the website, is there anything on the description that your saying is inaccurate?

Kills mites on contact! This Product does not use poisons or other toxins to achieve results, so mites do not become resistant, Thus, the product never loses effectiveness.
EPA registered
Highly effective on fleas, ticks, lice & mites
Unconditionally guaranteed
Contains no pyrethrins or similar chemicals
EPA approved label requires NO HAZARD WARNINGS!
Lowest possible toxicity ratings in all EPA categories
pH adjusted to minimize irritation
Reptile Relief can be applied directly on pet, with no need to remove water or feed dispensers from habitat!
The Science of Reptile Relief-
The active ingredients in De Flea products work together to soften the waxy exoskeleton of fleas, ticks, lice, mites and other insects. Once the insect's armor has been penetrated, its internal organs are saturated and the insect quickly bursts. De Flea products work for all stages of an insect's life cycle: eggs, larvae, pupae and adult - effectively eliminating all mites and eggs from the cage on contact.


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Originally Posted by martin82531

Besides saying its garbage do you have anything to back up this claim, facts maybe? Here is the product description from the website, is there anything on the description that your saying is inaccurate?

Kills mites on contact! This Product does not use poisons or other toxins to achieve results, so mites do not become resistant, Thus, the product never loses effectiveness.
EPA registered
Highly effective on fleas, ticks, lice & mites
Unconditionally guaranteed
Contains no pyrethrins or similar chemicals
EPA approved label requires NO HAZARD WARNINGS!
Lowest possible toxicity ratings in all EPA categories
pH adjusted to minimize irritation
Reptile Relief can be applied directly on pet, with no need to remove water or feed dispensers from habitat!
The Science of Reptile Relief-
The active ingredients in De Flea products work together to soften the waxy exoskeleton of fleas, ticks, lice, mites and other insects. Once the insect's armor has been penetrated, its internal organs are saturated and the insect quickly bursts. De Flea products work for all stages of an insect's life cycle: eggs, larvae, pupae and adult - effectively eliminating all mites and eggs from the cage on contact.


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It is my understanding that reptile relief is for use on the snake, to kill mites that may be bothering the animal. Soaking in plain old water will accomplish the same thing with ZERO chemicals on the snake.

Since reptile relief is only used on the snake (not on the enclosure like PAM) it does NOT address the entire life cycle of the mite. Mites migrate off the snake to lay their eggs. The eggs are quite resilient, even to products like PAM. You spray PAM on your substrate and it will continue to be active for up to 30 days. So, this product doesn't kill the eggs, but it sticks around until the eggs hatch, killing the mites right then and there and stopping the cycle.


I would not waste my money on reptile relief. For about the same price you can get PAM and know your mite problem will be long gone. With reptile relief, you might be struggling to get rid of them for months.

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Originally Posted by martin82531

Besides saying its garbage do you have anything to back up this claim, facts maybe? Here is the product description from the website, is there anything on the description that your saying is inaccurate?

Kills mites on contact! This Product does not use poisons or other toxins to achieve results, so mites do not become resistant, Thus, the product never loses effectiveness.
EPA registered
Highly effective on fleas, ticks, lice & mites
Unconditionally guaranteed
Contains no pyrethrins or similar chemicals
EPA approved label requires NO HAZARD WARNINGS!
Lowest possible toxicity ratings in all EPA categories
pH adjusted to minimize irritation
Reptile Relief can be applied directly on pet, with no need to remove water or feed dispensers from habitat!
The Science of Reptile Relief-
The active ingredients in De Flea products work together to soften the waxy exoskeleton of fleas, ticks, lice, mites and other insects. Once the insect's armor has been penetrated, its internal organs are saturated and the insect quickly bursts. De Flea products work for all stages of an insect's life cycle: eggs, larvae, pupae and adult - effectively eliminating all mites and eggs from the cage on contact.


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Have you ever used Reptile Relief or are you just regurgitating what the website or bottle claims to do? I have personal experience in using Reptile Relief when I brought home my first snake in 2007. She came from Petco with a complimentary mite infestation. I used Reptile Relief for two months and never was able to get rid of them. I ordered a can of Provent-a-Mite and they were gone after a single treatment.

I was also curious if the OP heard mineral water, then soaked the snake in mineral oil. As for mite treatment, do as Kaorte said, a soak in water with a drop or two of dish soap while you're waiting for a can of Provent-a-Mite to be shipped.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

It is my understanding that reptile relief is for use on the snake, to kill mites that may be bothering the animal. Soaking in plain old water will accomplish the same thing with ZERO chemicals on the snake.

Since reptile relief is only used on the snake (not on the enclosure like PAM) it does NOT address the entire life cycle of the mite. Mites migrate off the snake to lay their eggs. The eggs are quite resilient, even to products like PAM. You spray PAM on your substrate and it will continue to be active for up to 30 days. So, this product doesn't kill the eggs, but it sticks around until the eggs hatch, killing the mites right then and there and stopping the cycle.

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According to the product description it does kill eggs -
"De Flea products work for all stages of an insect's life cycle: eggs, larvae, pupae and adult - effectively eliminating all mites and eggs from the cage on contact."


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Originally Posted by martin82531

According to the product description it does kill eggs -
"De Flea products work for all stages of an insect's life cycle: eggs, larvae, pupae and adult - effectively eliminating all mites and eggs from the cage on contact."


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If you would prefer to believe the label of the product over the personal experience of members of this site, so be it. I cannot say whether or not what they state on the package is true because I have not use that product.

I have used PAM in the past and it has worked flawlessly and I never needed to put any chemicals on my animals.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Have you ever used Reptile Relief or are you just regurgitating what the website or bottle claims to do? I have personal experience in using Reptile Relief when I brought home my first snake in 2007. She came from Petco with a complimentary mite infestation. I used Reptile Relief for two months and never was able to get rid of them. I ordered a can of Provent-a-Mite and they were gone after a single treatment.

I was also curious if the OP heard mineral water, then soaked the snake in mineral oil. As for mite treatment, do as Kaorte said, a soak in water with a drop or two of dish soap while you're waiting for a can of Provent-a-Mite to be shipped.

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No I have not used Reptile Relief or PAM for that mater, does this mean I'm not allowed to make recommendation? I think instead of saying something is garbage you should back up that claim with some type of facts or experience, like you did for example.

I have done research on both PAM and Reptile Relief for the purpose of being ready for mites if I ever have to deal with them, lucky for me I have not had to worry about such an issue.

The reason I recommended Reptile Relief is because the instructions and use of the product doesn't seem to be as stringent as PAM. Kitedemon provided the below link that shows how stringent and careful PAM needs to be used. For me Reptile Relief seems to be a simpler product to use, and more worry free. Now if Reptile Relief did not work for an mite infestation, then I would try PAM next, but based off the research I have done and other people's recent first hand experience, I will try/use/recommend Reptile Relief before trying PAM.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_s...1-20040505.pdf





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Originally Posted by Kaorte

If you would prefer to believe the label of the product over the personal experience of members of this site, so be it. I cannot say whether or not what they state on the package is true because I have not use that product.

I have used PAM in the past and it has worked flawlessly and I never needed to put any chemicals on my animals.

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I do trust others on this forum and value their experience. Please see the threads below, Kitedemon is a member of this website and I believe he has made a good argument not use PAM. This is why I did research into other products and methods and chose Reptile Relief.


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...reptile+releif
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rticular/page3

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Originally Posted by martin82531

No I have not used Reptile Relief or PAM for that mater, does this mean I'm not allowed to make recommendation? I think instead of saying something is garbage you should back up that claim with some type of facts or experience, like you did for example.

I have done research on both PAM and Reptile Relief for the purpose of being ready for mites if I ever have to deal with them, lucky for me I have not had to worry about such an issue.

The reason I recommended Reptile Relief is because the instructions and use of the product doesn't seem to be as stringent as PAM. Kitedemon provided the below link that shows how stringent and careful PAM needs to be used. For me Reptile Relief seems to be a simpler product to use, and more worry free. Now if Reptile Relief did not work for an mite infestation, then I would try PAM next, but based off the research I have done and other people's recent first hand experience, I will try/use/recommend Reptile Relief before trying PAM.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_s...1-20040505.pdf





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I posted my personal experience with the two, and if you search this forum you will find several threads where other members have posted their experience with Reptile Relief. Remember, these are actual people with real experience with the product, not just someone copying and pasting from a website trying to sell their product. Until you have actually had the experience of mites in the collection, I wouldn't post your "recommendation" and criticize someone else who make a recommendation that contradicts yours... Do you have any evidence to back up your claims that Reptile Relieve does indeed eradicate mites?

Use whatever you feel comfortable with. The opinions of people on the forum are not some magical law that you are required to follow.

-In my experience, I have seen far more people fail at eradicating mites using solely reptile relief.

-I have seen no one complain of not being able to eradicate mites with a SINGLE pam use.


These are my experiences and I am merely providing my input so that other members can benefit from my experience.

Perhaps I should have said "In my opinion, reptile relief is garbage". Because that is in fact my opinion, and I'm sticking to it!

Let me make a small pros and cons list for both products based on my experience and understanding of the two.

Reptile Relief
Pros: can apply directly to the snake to kill mites on contact
Cons: may require multiple applications in order to completely eradicate mites, does not have a long lifespan once applied

PAM
Pros: kills mites on contact, continues to kill mites for up to 30 days.
Cons: Requires you to wait until the product dries before it is safe to introduce the reptile (due to harsh chemicals)



Again, this is a personal decision. I use PAM because it works for me and has posed no risk to me or my animals. I don't use it very often (only when I see mites) so I don't see how it could really affect mine or my animals health in the long term.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

I posted my personal experience with the two, and if you search this forum you will find several threads where other members have posted their experience with Reptile Relief. Remember, these are actual people with real experience with the product, not just someone copying and pasting from a website trying to sell their product. Until you have actually had the experience of mites in the collection, I wouldn't post your "recommendation" and criticize someone else who make a recommendation that contradicts yours... Do you have any evidence to back up your claims that Reptile Relieve does indeed eradicate mites?

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Who said I criticized anyone else recommendation? All I said was if they have anything to back up their claim? What is wrong with wanting the facts verse opinion and directing the conversation to having a constructive discussion about the two products?

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Originally Posted by martin82531

I do trust others on this forum and value their experience. Please see the threads below, Kitedemon is a member of this website and I believe he has made a good argument not use PAM. This is why I did research into other products and methods and chose Reptile Relief.


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...reptile+releif
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rticular/page3

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Kitedemon is a very helpful and informative member of this site, but I don't take all of his advice just because he presents a good point. ;)

Yes it is a good point that the same pesticide used in PAM has been related to the deaths of snakes. But also be aware that those deaths were due to the use of NIX lice spray, which is not a product intended for reptiles. It has the same pesticide, but in a much higher concentration (I believe).

I have not heard of any snakes dying from using PAM exactly as the instructions indicate. I have also not heard of any snakes dying from using reptile relief, but I have heard of their continued mite battles with that product.


Again, if reptile relief is what you are comfortable using, then go for it! no one is going to stop you or say it is bad for your animal. Perhaps when (because it will happen eventually) you get a mite infestation you can share your experience with reptile relief. I have heard of some success with it, but not nearly as much success as PAM.

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Originally Posted by martin82531

I do trust others on this forum and value their experience. Please see the threads below, Kitedemon is a member of this website and I believe he has made a good argument not use PAM. This is why I did research into other products and methods and chose Reptile Relief.


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...reptile+releif
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rticular/page3

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So you're taking one user's thread and cautions against using Provent-A-Mite and dismissing the experience of the vast number of users who have experience with both products?

Nothing against Kitedemon because I feel he's a very valuable member of this forum with a lot of good advice, he also tends to err heavily on the side of caution. If you follow the directions on the can of PAM, don't apply directly to the reptile, use sparingly and let the enclosure dry until there's no smell before replacing the snake, then using Provent-A-Mite is safe and effective.

/hijack

OP - A picture showing the condition of the snake might help. I would recommend keeping the enclosure really clean, remove substrate and any unnecessary cage furniture and keep your snake on plain paper towel until you can get this diagnosed and treatment started.

EDIT: I'm at work and Kaorte apparently types faster than I do...

LOL I'm at work too. Multitasking :P

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Originally Posted by FireStorm

Do you have a thermometer in addition to the thermostat, to measure the hot side temps? If so, what kind (digital or analog)? Where is your thermostat probe? How long did you soak him for? How warm was the water? Keep in mind that if the water feels warm to you, it will feel hot to your snake.

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Yes, I have both of em. (all in one) It's placed under the substract / under the hide. I'm currently using green turf. (like news paper, but easier to clean)

It was mineral oil. I only used a small amount (about a cap full) with warm water. I soaked him for about 3-5 mins? then I dried him off with paper towels.
The water was about medium hotness. (not too hot)

I heard of the treatment from my local Petland, the guy who told me about seemed to know what he was talking about. but I should of checked it out non the less..
My snakes going to the vet tomorrow, I'll post a update.

edit: ya just checked the bottle, it was oil. the guy in the store said to use water.

you people are tripping and could use some critical thinking skills. If you were using reptile relief and killing the mites on the snake and not the enclosure you will have a hard time getting rid of them. If you then use PAM and then killed the eggs in the enclosure it would look like the magic happened. The recommended approach is to use reptile relief on the snake itself while at the same time using PAM to treat the enclosure and then repeating it once a week for two weeks. Stop getting so pissy and take the five seconds it took me to find this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CX0Dki0yAA

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Originally Posted by Newbie Ball

Yes, I have both of em. (all in one) It's placed under the substract / under the hide. I'm currently using green turf. (like news paper, but easier to clean)

It was mineral oil. I only used a small amount (about a cap full) with warm water. I soaked him for about 3-5 mins? then I dried him off with paper towels.
The water was about medium hotness. (not too hot)

I heard of the treatment from my local Petland, the guy who told me about seemed to know what he was talking about. but I should of checked it out non the less..
My snakes going to the vet tomorrow, I'll post a update.

edit: ya just checked the bottle, it was oil. the guy in the store said to use water.

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Yeah the mineral oil actually makes the coating on their scales fall off. Its not the actual scale, just the coating. It will come back after the next shed so don't worry about it. But yeah, stop the mineral oil. The pet store employee might have suggested mineral water.. but that wouldn't be any more helpful than regular water.


Vet sounds like a good idea. I do highly recommend the PAM though. You can make an educated decision on what to used based on the conversation above.

The mineral oil is probably why the scales are sloughing off. Please keep us updated on what the vet says.

I've used RID lice bedding spray with 4 snakes now to get rid of mites. It's pretty much the same thing as PAM and used the same way. One of the rescues I have right now was the worst I've ever seen. The previous owner had brought it into our clinic after getting them from a "friend" of hers. He had mites at that time, but a month later she called me saying she couldn't handle taking care of him (he also had a RI, mouth rot, and hadn't eaten in a YEAR - red-tail boa), so I came and got him. She had been using Reptile Relief every 3 days (as instructed) the entire time. When I got him home, within 12 hours, the paper towels I put him on looked as through someone had taken a pepper shaker to it.

Using the RID, all the mites were completely gone within 2 weeks. So, yeah, that's my experience with Reptile Relief, O_o

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Originally Posted by ewaldrep

you people are tripping and could use some critical thinking skills. If you were using reptile relief and killing the mites on the snake and not the enclosure you will have a hard time getting rid of them. If you then use PAM and then killed the eggs in the enclosure it would look like the magic happened. The recommended approach is to use reptile relief on the snake itself while at the same time using PAM to treat the enclosure and then repeating it once a week for two weeks. Stop getting so pissy and take the five seconds it took me to find this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CX0Dki0yAA

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Okay, nothing against LLL reptile but I don't think that that video was very good in terms of how to use what she clearly stated was POISIN.

Yes provent a mite is a dangerous chemical in its aerosol form. She seems to be spraying this stuff inside, with rats and other animals right behind her, and the snake in a critter keeper only a few feet away.... I also think she is using WAY to much. You don't need to spray PAM every week. Maybe wait 3-4 weeks and spray once more.


Man maybe I should do a video on how I treat my animals for mites. ;)

What I would do differently is take the enclosure OUTSIDE before spraying. Opening a window can only do so much and I surely don't want to be cooped up in a room while spraying this stuff. When I spray the substrate, I literally spray for 1-2 seconds for small tubs, and 3-4 seconds for big tubs. THAT IS IT. She does quite a few passes with the PAM.... a little too much for my liking. After all it is POISIN.

Back from the vet.
The vet said it was nothing, too much lubricating was the killer. But the vet said he should be fine, just to soak him in some Warmish water for a minutes. (to take off the lubricate).

Also said he was little under feed, might need to upgrade his prey size, or feed every 5 days. he weighed in at 227 grams. Hes currently eating 1 large mice a week..Might upgrade to a rat?( that's if he will eat it.)
Vet wants to do a follow up in 3-4 weeks.

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Back from the vet.
The vet said it was nothing, too much lubricating was the killer. But the vet said he should be fine, just to soak him in some Warmish water for a minutes. (to take off the lubricate).

Also said he was little under feed, might need to upgrade his prey size, or feed every 5 days. he weighed in at 227 grams. Hes currently eating 1 large mice a week..Might upgrade to a rat?( that's if he will eat it.)
Vet wants to do a follow up in 3-4 weeks.

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Did the vet says anything about treating for mites?

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Back from the vet.
The vet said it was nothing, too much lubricating was the killer. But the vet said he should be fine, just to soak him in some Warmish water for a minutes. (to take off the lubricate).

Also said he was little under feed, might need to upgrade his prey size, or feed every 5 days. he weighed in at 227 grams. Hes currently eating 1 large mice a week..Might upgrade to a rat?( that's if he will eat it.)
Vet wants to do a follow up in 3-4 weeks.

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Just want to emphasize...if the water feels warm to you, it will be HOT to your snake. Our body temp is about 98F, so if the water feels warm to you, it's going to be over 98 degrees...way, way too hot. The water should feel almost cool to you (or get a thermometer to check the temp - you don't want it over 90. 80-85 is probably fine).

Also, just in case anybody else is considering using mineral oil, I would not recommend it. Aside from the scale issues, mineral oil in the lungs is very, very dangerous.

What KIND of mineral oil? That's so vague.

My snake reacted weirdly to PAM. I had to use SSD on him (Silver sulfadiazine).

Id suggest using PAM on the enclosure and just rinsing off your snake in luke warm water, If any mites are on your snake your snake will usually jump in the water bowl to drown the mites himself either way. But yeah, after PAM, patches on my mojave looked weird and some came off, he's getting better now though.

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My snake reacted weirdly to PAM. I had to use SSD on him (Silver sulfadiazine).

Id suggest using PAM on the enclosure and just rinsing off your snake in luke warm water, If any mites are on your snake your snake will usually jump in the water bowl to drown the mites himself either way. But yeah, after PAM, patches on my mojave looked weird and some came off, he's getting better now though.

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My snake reacted weirdly to PAM. I had to use SSD on him (Silver sulfadiazine).

Id suggest using PAM on the enclosure and just rinsing off your snake in luke warm water, If any mites are on your snake your snake will usually jump in the water bowl to drown the mites himself either way. But yeah, after PAM, patches on my mojave looked weird and some came off, he's getting better now though.

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Did you use the PAM on the snake?? or on the enclosure. I'd like to know more about this reaction if it was just on the cage... If it was on the snake, you sprayed your snake with poison.

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Originally Posted by FireStorm

Just want to emphasize...if the water feels warm to you, it will be HOT to your snake. Our body temp is about 98F, so if the water feels warm to you, it's going to be over 98 degrees...way, way too hot. The water should feel almost cool to you (or get a thermometer to check the temp - you don't want it over 90. 80-85 is probably fine).

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That's not true whatsoever. Our internal body temp is 98F if your extremities are that warm there is probably something wrong. Plus you don't know how warm the room the person is in is, if it's cool the water will feel warmer. You don't know how good the circulation in their hands is either. Mine are always cold for example, usually about 10F lower than other people (Yes I have checked, I'm weird).

By your logic you would have to ingest the water and see if it feels warm in your stomach. As you said at the end, thermometer is the best way to check.

Please don't tell people their surface temp is 98F, it's just silly.

No mites, on the snake, or any the vet can see. He said to use white paper as bedding, to see if I can spot any jumping off, or dead mites. I'll do that for a week.

Also, I think I just used normal mineral oil. The vet said to use a little bit of dash soap with warm water next time I see mites.
But i'm getting PAM, or some other kind of mite killer. but I'm leading toward PAM.

I'll use a temp meter when I soak him.


Also, question because i don't want to make another thread.

Should I feed him today? I had him out of his cage for about 3hours taking him to the vet.
Should i give him 24-48hours? his last feed was on Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Did you use the PAM on the snake?? or on the enclosure. I'd like to know more about this reaction if it was just on the cage... If it was on the snake, you sprayed your snake with poison.

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Unfortunately I did :( just a fair warning. The idiots at my local reptile store said it was okay and they did it to all of their infested snakes. BIG MISTAKE, i wish i wouldve known but my bp got better within a week with a shed. so it wasnt too bad...

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Originally Posted by TedMeisterSir

Unfortunately I did :( just a fair warning. The idiots at my local reptile store said it was okay and they did it to all of their infested snakes. BIG MISTAKE, i wish i wouldve known but my bp got better within a week with a shed. so it wasnt too bad...

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Man that really sucks.. But in the future, don't take a pet store employees word for it. They OFTEN give misleading information to customers.

Obviously next time you will trust the instructions on the bottle rather than the instructions of people in a store.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

That's not true whatsoever. Our internal body temp is 98F if your extremities are that warm there is probably something wrong. Plus you don't know how warm the room the person is in is, if it's cool the water will feel warmer. You don't know how good the circulation in their hands is either. Mine are always cold for example, usually about 10F lower than other people (Yes I have checked, I'm weird).

By your logic you would have to ingest the water and see if it feels warm in your stomach. As you said at the end, thermometer is the best way to check.

Please don't tell people their surface temp is 98F, it's just silly.

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I think you are missing the point of my advice. Obviously, you know better than to soak your snake in water that is bath water warm. But I don't think it's reasonable to assume that everyone knows that. The point I was trying to make (which it appears I did a poor job of) was that saying "soak your snake in warm water" isn't a very good description. It wouldn't surprise me at all if an inexperienced keeper read that and went with bath water temp water, which is way too hot. The pool I swim in is always 82-85, and it doesn't .necessarily feel warm, but that's a perfectly reasonable temp for a snake (not saying put the snake in the pool, just needed an example).

Reptile relief worked well when one of my balls had mites. I caught it early so it worked quick. Just make sure, whatever you will be using, that you do it correctly because a lot of solutions that people use can be toxic if used incorrectly. Make sure you do your research.