Cut my eggs on day 50

Here they are, kind of hard to tell what some are but I'm 100% sure that 2 of them are pastels, but you tell me!

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Ball Pythons
0.2 Normals (Coilette and Mary Jane)
1.0 Spider Morph (Zeus)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)

Boas
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)
0.1 Hog Island BCI (Kiyoko)
0.1 Dumerils Boa (Gloria)
0.1 Yellow Anaconda (Serenity)

Color is one of the last things to develop so they may not be fully done. Just my opinion; Day 50 is early to be cutting, especially for your first clutch.

What was the pairing

Looks like at least 2-3 are pastels to me, but idk.

She also said in another thread that they are being incubated by a friend who breeds and he cuts on day 50. So the OP is not the one caring for the eggs...someone more experienced is.

Now, that said, would I cut on day 50 anyway? Probably not.

Pretty sure OP is a guy.

I don't care that they did. Its their eggs. Thats a little better knowing its in someone with more experience hands though. :gj:

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

She also said in another thread that they are being incubated by a friend who breeds and he cuts on day 50. So the OP is not the one caring for the eggs...someone more experienced is.

Now, that said, would I cut on day 50 anyway? Probably not.

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X2 I agree. No offense to the OP or whoever cut them, but I would not cut that early either. Especially for a few pastels... If you have waited 50 days already what's another 4-5 going to hurt?

I hope they all come out ok. I will be too paranoid to cut eggs. At least not until the first one pips on its own.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

Pretty sure OP is a guy.

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If that is the case, my sincere apologies!

lol, I am a guy for sure!!! Also, yes, my buddy who has been breeding for a good few years does this every time and I don't really get to go out there that often, so I cut them today while I have the chance. He cut most of them but I did cut a couple of them, with his assistance. But they are all moving and look great, and I know color is the last thing to develop, but I can see one that is just brown, and then I see some that are really yellowish in pictures 2 4 and possibly 5, but we shall see what I get!!! I am hoping they all start pipping in a couple of days, super excited to hold one lol.

Also, I am NOT trying to be rude, I only asked opinions on what people think they MAY be, not when I should cut the eggs. Please PLEASE understand that I am new to this, but have done my research and have seen LOTS of people on youtube cutting at day 50 and even some before day 50, so it was not a last minute decision, it is something I have been looking into since I put the male in with the female!!!!

Also, I am going to keep a female pastel if one is a female and a pastel, then going to breed her in a couple of years to my pastel male again to get some supers!!! Hopefully I can be patient long enough for that!! lol

Tough to get a read but a few look like pastels to me.


Don't mean to join in on the egg cutting debate, but when I read about clutches that take 70 days to hatch it makes me throw out all the youtube videos and posts I read where they hatch in 50.

Also, baby animals are fragile, the world we live in is far from sterile, albumin (egg white) harbors life by design, and 80-90 degrees is the optimal temp. to culture bacteria and viruses.

I'd be worried a whole lot more about their health than I would be about what colors I got at the late stage of their development in the egg.

Congrats, I hope, on some cool pastels.
Experienced or not, for day 50, that is cut open WAY more than I would. I'm surprised how many blood veins were cut by someone experienced... I hope they make it for you.

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Originally Posted by clarkt

congrats, i hope, on some cool pastels.
Experienced or not, for day 50, that is cut open way more than i would. I'm surprised how many blood veins were cut by someone experienced... I hope they make it for you.

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Its not like you can sew them back up! Oh well! :P Maybe next time you will let them cook a little bit longer before cutting ;)

I'm not planning on cutting my eggs this season and if I ever did decide to do so, I would wait until one or two babies cut the eggs on their own. And I would make very small incisions.

If I can wait 55 days for the eggs to incubate, I can wait another 5-10 days for them to come out on their own :)


Congrats on the babies! I hope they all come out healthy! Definitely a few pastels in there!

OK.. so I have my first clutch coming anyday ... *sigh* I have been saying that for almost a week now... lol ...... anyhow.. WHEN would be the day to HELP them out.. aka cut or slice and dice... hahaha.. :) Honestly Im soooo nervous about that........:please:

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OK.. so I have my first clutch coming anyday ... *sigh* I have been saying that for almost a week now... lol ...... anyhow.. WHEN would be the day to HELP them out.. aka cut or slice and dice... hahaha.. :) Honestly Im soooo nervous about that........:please:

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When the first one pips, go ahead and cut the rest.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

When the first one pips, go ahead and cut the rest.

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Well... she had her shed on April 9th... still waiting........its killing me.. I have a pic up of her on one of the other forums.........I have been reading so much.. I think my brain is gonna explode... :)

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Originally Posted by Ms_jojo

OK.. so I have my first clutch coming anyday ... *sigh* I have been saying that for almost a week now... lol ...... anyhow.. WHEN would be the day to HELP them out.. aka cut or slice and dice... hahaha.. :) Honestly Im soooo nervous about that........:please:

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If you're nervous don't cut at all, they'll hatch on their own.

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Originally Posted by Ms_jojo

OK.. so I have my first clutch coming anyday ... *sigh* I have been saying that for almost a week now... lol ...... anyhow.. WHEN would be the day to HELP them out.. aka cut or slice and dice... hahaha.. :) Honestly Im soooo nervous about that........:please:

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You don't have to cut or help them out. They are very capable of doing it all on their own. I used to cut around day 57, but I no longer do. Here is how I care for the eggs: After the first one pips, I move the eggs to a fresh egg box with a damp paper towel on the bottom and a small water bowl with fresh water. This way, the babies are not crawling around on the light diffuser and drinking the water in the bottom of the egg tub. As they come out of the eggs, I remove the old egg and discard it. Once all have come out of the eggs and shed, then I move them to individual tubs in the baby rack. I let them acclimate a few days then attempt a feeding. I've had very good success and great feeding response with this method.

When you cut the egg, you open up the inside of the egg to a moist warm environment that is perfect for bacteria and other nasty stuff to get inside the egg. I've heard people say that they cut to make sure that the cord is not wrapped around the neonate. However, if you are cutting properly, it is difficult to see if the cord is wrapped around the neonate. The main reason people cut (and I used to be one of them) is impatience. We are all anxious to see what we produced and if we hit the odds with a particular morph. I've developed a little more patience now and can wait a few days for the babies to come out on their own. I believe that they are stronger and healthier, if left to come out on their time. But, I have no scientific proof of that. It is just my observation with my own collection over the last several years.

If you do some searches in this forum, you will see many threads where people lost entire clutches because they cut and the eggs got infested with bacteria or the neonates failed to thrive. I can cut and feel confident doing it. I also feel confident in caring for an egg that is starting to go bad from being exposed to the elements. However, why would I want to do that when the egg shell can do it with no work at all?

Good luck on your first clutch!

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Originally Posted by Don

I believe that they are stronger and healthier, if left to come out on their time. But, I have no scientific proof of that. It is just my observation with my own collection over the last several years.

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Empirical evidence: Evolution

Egg laying species where the mother incubates the eggs are all capable of opening the eggs. Imagine a chicken pecking a hole to help the babies out. If this system was a better way to ensure the genes get passed on, they would have evolved to do it over the last 230 million years.

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Originally Posted by ClarkT

Congrats, I hope, on some cool pastels.
Experienced or not, for day 50, that is cut open WAY more than I would. I'm surprised how many blood veins were cut by someone experienced... I hope they make it for you.

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That's true, I've cut my very second clutch not long time ago, and didn't cut a single vein (7 eggs). So I'm surprised that someone with experience did :).

:D

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Ball Pythons
0.2 Normals (Coilette and Mary Jane)
1.0 Spider Morph (Zeus)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)

Boas
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)
0.1 Hog Island BCI (Kiyoko)
0.1 Dumerils Boa (Gloria)
0.1 Yellow Anaconda (Serenity)

looks like they are doing well!!! congratulations! Looking forward to seeing pics of them out of the egg and their post shed! :gj:

Calder

Got some more pictures for ya! Took this little one out cause it almost fell out trying to get out of the tub lol

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Ball Pythons
0.2 Normals (Coilette and Mary Jane)
1.0 Spider Morph (Zeus)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)

Boas
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)
0.1 Hog Island BCI (Kiyoko)
0.1 Dumerils Boa (Gloria)
0.1 Yellow Anaconda (Serenity)

Look how they all died after cutting on day 50 :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by hypnotixdmp

Look how they all died after cutting on day 50 :rolleyes:

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I think part of the issue was A. this is your first clutch and B. whoever cut your eggs cut A LOT of veins. The members on here were just concerned for the babies. No one said if you cut on day 50 your babies would die. They only said cutting on day 50 could lead to infection and other issues with having eggs open to air. I would stop harboring negative feelings towards the members here. They were showing CONCERN for your babies. If you are still pissy over the issue, don't tell anyone on here you're cutting and then you won't have an issue.

Firstly, I'm not really "pissy" over the situation, it's more of a smart @** attitude. I'm not upset with anyone on here, and I understood it was concern. I'm sure I would not have put the little face I did if I was being serious. Secondly, which was already stated above, I only asked for opinion on what was in there, not if I should have done what I did or not. I have done my research, and I understood the risks and as much as it would really really suck, I would deal with the consequences, but did not. Will I do it again at day 50? Probably not, I will probably wait till the first one comes out on its own. I am sorry if you took offense to my comments, but I really was just joking in an @** like manner.

Ball Pythons
0.2 Normals (Coilette and Mary Jane)
1.0 Spider Morph (Zeus)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)

Boas
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)
0.1 Hog Island BCI (Kiyoko)
0.1 Dumerils Boa (Gloria)
0.1 Yellow Anaconda (Serenity)

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Originally Posted by hypnotixdmp

Firstly, I'm not really "pissy" over the situation, it's more of a smart @** attitude. I'm not upset with anyone on here, and I understood it was concern. I'm sure I would not have put the little face I did if I was being serious. Secondly, which was already stated above, I only asked for opinion on what was in there, not if I should have done what I did or not. I have done my research, and I understood the risks and as much as it would really really suck, I would deal with the consequences, but did not. Will I do it again at day 50? Probably not, I will probably wait till the first one comes out on its own. I am sorry if you took offense to my comments, but I really was just joking in an @** like manner.

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I know you asked for opinions on what was in the eggs, but think of it from this perspective (I'm going to exaggerate a little bit to make a point, so don't assume I'm equating this scenario with yours): A woman takes a sexy picture of herself and asks for opinions on what she's wearing. However, in the background, there's a baby crying with a black eye and a guy cooking meth. Would you just give your opinion on what the woman is wearing? Or would you want to say "Hey, that's not the best idea" or perhaps go to the extreme and call the cops.

What happened with you is that when you said you cut at day 50, people saw the potential problems. No one knew if you had done your research and not many knew that someone else with more experience was doing the cutting. So based on only the information that was given, people thought it was something they needed to speak up about in order to ensure that you were well aware of the risk you were taking.

Now, smart alec replies and sarcasm are REALLY hard to pull off over the internet. Frankly, the way you pulled it off wasn't as best as it could be and I certainly didn't catch on to it being a "joke-like manner". Even just a simple smiley face didn't really help (a lot of times sarcastic people use those to further their sarcasm). Just be more careful with what you say, how you say it, and the information you give so maybe this won't happen again.

I'm glad it worked out for you. Because we are early in the season, you may not have seen the threads where there were issues with early cutting. There are many on this forum. Just because it worked out for you this time, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. For your reference, here are just a few of those posts:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=dead+egg

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria


Though no loss, still problems because of cutting:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

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Originally Posted by Don

I'm glad it worked out for you. Because we are early in the season, you may not have seen the threads where there were issues with early cutting. There are many on this forum. Just because it worked out for you this time, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. For your reference, here are just a few of those posts:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=dead+egg

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria


Though no loss, still problems because of cutting:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=bacteria

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I read all of the links with deaths....none were really related to cutting eggs lol. The first link said they were dead before they cut the eggs open, and so on. I think the only ones that had issues were with people not cutting properly, or rolling eggs over after cutting them. Just because the title is about cutting eggs open does not mean the issue was caused by this. Plus, all of the links only had like 1 death usually and the rest were fine, and like I said, the deaths were not caused by egg cutting. I know others may have had more issues, but these are not good examples at all sorry...

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

I know you asked for opinions on what was in the eggs, but think of it from this perspective (I'm going to exaggerate a little bit to make a point, so don't assume I'm equating this scenario with yours): A woman takes a sexy picture of herself and asks for opinions on what she's wearing. However, in the background, there's a baby crying with a black eye and a guy cooking meth. Would you just give your opinion on what the woman is wearing? Or would you want to say "Hey, that's not the best idea" or perhaps go to the extreme and call the cops.

What happened with you is that when you said you cut at day 50, people saw the potential problems. No one knew if you had done your research and not many knew that someone else with more experience was doing the cutting. So based on only the information that was given, people thought it was something they needed to speak up about in order to ensure that you were well aware of the risk you were taking.

Now, smart alec replies and sarcasm are REALLY hard to pull off over the internet. Frankly, the way you pulled it off wasn't as best as it could be and I certainly didn't catch on to it being a "joke-like manner". Even just a simple smiley face didn't really help (a lot of times sarcastic people use those to further their sarcasm). Just be more careful with what you say, how you say it, and the information you give so maybe this won't happen again.

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I agree, it is more difficult to tell what people are actually thinking when just reading a sentence or a few. Like I said, I am sorry if you took it as me being upset or lashing out at other, but I certainly did not mean it that way. A little sarcastic? Certainly, but that is just me, sorry if you don't like it :P