What Do You Think of This Super Pastel

I am considering purchasing this 2012 female super pastel. What do you all think of her? Also, what is the going price for super pastels of this quality?

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0b4f6870.jpg

I think shes not a Super...

If she is then the going rate would be Pastel price


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Originally Posted by BCBallPythons

I think shes not a Super...

If she is then the going rate would be Pastel price


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You think she is a regular pastel? She is so much brighter than the pastels I saw from the same breeder.

What is the going rate for a pastel? (I'm a newbie and don't know much about morphs.)

i thought the same thing. supers have really faded heads.

Hmm... I'm assured it is a super pastel. Could it be a bad photo? I took it with my cell phone.

could be a bad photo but a super pastel has a faded head and some good blushing on their black saddles. I see none of that.

Yeah that's a regualr pastel, but she's nice! How much is she?

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Originally Posted by Capray

Yeah that's a regualr pastel, but she's nice! How much is she?

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$550 was original asking price. Is that a fair price for this one?

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

$550 was original asking price. Is that a fair price for this one?

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For a baby regular pastel female (though I think this one is of higher quality): no. $550 is too much for a single gene baby pastel IMO.

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

$550 was original asking price. Is that a fair price for this one?

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How big is she...? That doesn't look like a super to me either. Its a nice pastel though. $125-$200 would be fair for a female like that.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

How big is she...? That doesn't look like a super to me either. Its a nice pastel though. $125-$200 would be fair for a female like that.

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I am not sure of the weight.She is approx. 5 1/2 months old. Based on my memory,she is about a foot long and about an inch and three quarters in diameter.

Huh, I really don't think this is a Super we're looking at and if it was a Super, it'd be a same what poor example.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

Huh, I really don't think this is a Super we're looking at and if it was a Super, it'd be a same what poor example.

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That's disappointing. So what do you think she is worth?

$150-200.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

$150-200.

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Thanks to all who have responded so far. If anybody has any different (or even the same) thoughts, I'd like to know.

I think it looks more like a firefly then it does a pastel or super pastel. it looks to clean to be a regular pastel and not enough blushing to be a super.

I agree with it being a regular, high quality pastel. I'd pay $200 easy

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Originally Posted by dillan2020

I think it looks more like a firefly then it does a pastel or super pastel. it looks to clean to be a regular pastel and not enough blushing to be a super.

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It looked cleaner (more vibrant) than the regular pastels I have seen, which is why I thought it was a super.

What do you mean by "blushing"?

The black on the head and back being faded is what I was referring to as blushing.

Thanks for explaining that. What is going rate for female fireflies?


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Originally Posted by BPGuy

Thanks for explaining that. What is going rate for female fireflies?

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"Going Rates" can be found in the For Sale section of this site, market.kingsnake.com, and faunaclassifieds.com. I would ask what the pairing was that produced her before going too far down the firefly road. A breeder should know the difference between a pastel and a super pastel.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/06/pu4a6a9e.jpg

This is a picture of my super pastel, taken with my cell phone in bad lighting. See how blushed out his back and head are? It actually looks quite grey in person, rather than black.

I'd agree with others that the female looks like a firefly. She's very bright and clean, but I wouldn't pay that much for a single gene pastel.

I definitally agree that it's not a super pastel.... in fact that female looks identical to my regular pastel male....... so I know it's not a super.
Supers have ton of blushing and fading such as the one Chkadii posted. Regular pastels if high quality look a lot like fireflys.... and IF it's a high quality pastel, it should never be more than $150 for a AWESOME female (usually a proven breeder), unless the breeder is greedy (or dumb)
Either way, you're dealing with a sketchy person. Ametuer BP enthusiasts can always tell a Super Pastel from a regular Pastel... or super ANYTHING from the regular. This person is trying to market and sell to ignorant and excited people (or just has no clue about BP's and morphs at all, which may mean they aren't very quality with husbandry or so on), and I wouldn't buy anything from them if I were you.

but I'm just throwing out my pessimistic point of view.
If you have faith in this guy or gal, then good luck with your new purchase.

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

I definitally agree that it's not a super pastel.... in fact that female looks identical to my regular pastel male....... so I know it's not a super.
Supers have ton of blushing and fading such as the one Chkadii posted. Regular pastels if high quality look a lot like fireflys.... and IF it's a high quality pastel, it should never be more than $150 for a AWESOME female (usually a proven breeder), unless the breeder is greedy (or dumb)

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Not to get too off-topic, but are you saying you think a proven breeder pastel female is only worth $150?!

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Originally Posted by Chkadii

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/06/pu4a6a9e.jpg

This is a picture of my super pastel, taken with my cell phone in bad lighting. See how blushed out his back and head are? It actually looks quite grey in person, rather than black.

I'd agree with others that the female looks like a firefly. She's very bright and clean, but I wouldn't pay that much for a single gene pastel.

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Thanks. The comparison helps me understand what everyone is saying.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Not to get too off-topic, but are you saying you think a proven breeder pastel female is only worth $150?!

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The one I am considering is too young to be a breeder. I've been told that the one I am considering is the product of two pastels (which should make it a super pastel, right?).

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

The one I am considering is too young to be a breeder. I've been told that the one I am considering is the product of two pastels (which should make it a super pastel, right?).

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You can still get just plain pastels from a pastel x pastel pairing.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Not to get too off-topic, but are you saying you think a proven breeder pastel female is only worth $150?!

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At the cheapest...
I've almost bought a female pastel proven breeder who was only 3 years old that was for sale for 175, but I was able to talk them down to 150,
the quality of the snake wasn't so great though, so I passed on the deal.

So unless my eyes and ears were decieving me, I know that the snake I was looking at was a Female Pastel who was a proven breeder for sale for $150. So yes, there can definitally be another situation like that for somebody else. Unless I was just that "lucky" :rolleyes:

I just noticed that I mis-wrote my original post...


I meant to say that a high quality firefly should be 150. If it's an extremely awesome young female pastel it shouldn't be any more than 150.
If it's a proven breeder of low quality, the price shouldn't be more than 200 ever

Def. a reg. high quality pastel. Careful with this breeder, he should know the difference from a Super and a regular pastel. Unless hes trying to screw you, I'd be careful with this guy. $550 is QUITE steep to say the least.

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

I just noticed that I mis-wrote my original post...


I meant to say that a high quality firefly should be 150.

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Where are you finding high quality firefly females for 150? I need to find that connection and buy them all...

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Where are you finding high quality firefly females for 150? I need to find that connection and buy them all...

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My thoughts exactly!

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Originally Posted by BranceM

My thoughts exactly!

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So, what do you think is a fair price for a female firefly (in case the one I am looking at is a firefly)?

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

So, what do you think is a fair price for a female firefly (in case the one I am looking at is a firefly)?

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I haven't priced them recently, but depending on quality, I would guess anywhere between $500 and $1000. Someone else might chime in here though. A firefly is a Fire + Pastel. A good quality pastel female will go for $150-250. A good quality fire female will go for $200-350. That's kind of where I'm basing my 500-1k estimate...

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

I haven't priced them recently, but depending on quality, I would guess anywhere between $500 and $1000. Someone else might chime in here though. A firefly is a Fire + Pastel. A good quality pastel female will go for $150-250. A good quality fire female will go for $200-350. That's kind of where I'm basing my 500-1k estimate...

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So, now I'm a bit confused. If what I'm looking at is just a plain pastel, it is way overpriced, but if it is a firefly, the asking price is reasonable. Is that right? If so, how can I figure out which it is?

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

So, now I'm a bit confused. If what I'm looking at is just a plain pastel, it is way overpriced, but if it is a firefly, the asking price is reasonable. Is that right? If so, how can I figure out which it is?

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If the breeder told you the pairing was pastel x pastel then there is no way it is a firefly. I priced male fireflies at the NARBC in Arlington, TX earlier this year & they were $450-$600, so a female would be considerably higher.

Here are a few good pics of true Super Pastels:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pastel/

World of Ball Pythons is your friend!

I was looking for a Super Pastel last year to breed with my female Spider and they were going for around $800-$1000 depending on the general quality. Regular Pastels (still beautiful in my eyes) were running around the $150-$200 range.

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

So, now I'm a bit confused. If what I'm looking at is just a plain pastel, it is way overpriced, but if it is a firefly, the asking price is reasonable. Is that right? If so, how can I figure out which it is?

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You need to talk to the breeder again and ask what the pairing was. If the pairing was pastel x pastel, there is ABSOLUTELY no way the snake can be a firefly unless the pairing included the fire gene.

That snake is not a super pastel, just a regular pastel. Although it's a very good pastel, it's not worth more than $200....no matter how many genes you suspect to be at play.

Just as an observation, the way you are asking about prices for all the different morphs makes me uneasy. I'm really not trying to place blame, but I know a small mammal flipper and that's what he does...he buys cheap and sells high (no, I do not condone this behavior and thus is no longer a friend of mine). I guess I just get a little cautious with conversations like this. Just watch what you are saying and how you say it to avoid any confusion.

That looks like a pretty single gene pastel! I have a smoking hot female pastel, and adult male super pastel, and a female firefly. I will post pics of all 3 for you to use for comparisons.

Female pastel. (most recent pic, just a weigh in photo)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...06472319_n.jpg

Male super pastel at a few hundred grams and now at 900-1000g
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/dy9evetu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/2a4esygu.jpg

Female firefly (this pic belongs to Jen at Winding Bend Reptiles)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/a9edareb.jpg

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

That looks like a pretty single gene pastel! I have a smoking hot female pastel, and adult male super pastel, and a female firefly. I will post pics of all 3 for you to use for comparisons.

Female pastel. (most recent pic, just a weigh in photo)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...06472319_n.jpg

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That pastel is HOTT!

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

That pastel is HOTT!

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Agreed, very jealous

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

That looks like a pretty single gene pastel! I have a smoking hot female pastel, and adult male super pastel, and a female firefly. I will post pics of all 3 for you to use for comparisons.

Female pastel. (most recent pic, just a weigh in photo)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...06472319_n.jpg

Male super pastel at a few hundred grams and now at 900-1000g
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/dy9evetu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/2a4esygu.jpg

Female firefly (this pic belongs to Jen at Winding Bend Reptiles)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/a9edareb.jpg

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Thanks so much for posting those photos! I'm thinking the snake that I've been looking at is resembles your pastel the most and the super pastel the least. Having those comparisons sure helps!

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

You need to talk to the breeder again and ask what the pairing was. If the pairing was pastel x pastel, there is ABSOLUTELY no way the snake can be a firefly unless the pairing included the fire gene.

That snake is not a super pastel, just a regular pastel. Although it's a very good pastel, it's not worth more than $200....no matter how many genes you suspect to be at play.

Just as an observation, the way you are asking about prices for all the different morphs makes me uneasy. I'm really not trying to place blame, but I know a small mammal flipper and that's what he does...he buys cheap and sells high (no, I do not condone this behavior and thus is no longer a friend of mine). I guess I just get a little cautious with conversations like this. Just watch what you are saying and how you say it to avoid any confusion.

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I'm sorry if I've been confusing in my posts. I'm not sure whether the person who is selling the snake is the breeder, a middle man, or a flipper. All I know is that the seller told me that the snake in question is a super pastel. If I buy this snake, it will be for me. I have no plans on selling it. I just want to make sure the price I pay is a fair price (i.e., that I don't overpay), and you all now have me concerned that the asking price is far too high for this particular snake.

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

Thanks so much for posting those photos! I'm thinking the snake that I've been looking at is resembles your pastel the most and the super pastel the least. Having those comparisons sure helps!

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I'm glad they helped! Here are some more pics of her that might show her off a little better. That girl you are looking at is gorgeous!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/ragume2y.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/u9a7a9u7.jpg



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Originally Posted by missriss2012

I'm glad they helped! Here are some more pics of her that might show her off a little better. That girl you are looking at is gorgeous!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/ragume2y.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/u9a7a9u7.jpg



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Wow!!!! I love that second photo (the lower one). The bright yellow is amazing. Was that photo taken when she was younger than in the other photos you have posted? I definitely like your girl!

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Originally Posted by BPGuy

Wow!!!! I love that second photo (the lower one). The bright yellow is amazing. Was that photo taken when she was younger than in the other photos you have posted? I definitely like your girl!

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Those pictures were taken about 2 months ago. Gimme a sec and I will snap a pic on my cell phone right now.


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I thought pastel when I saw the picture. Supers have more blushing and a much more faded head IMO


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This was taken just now with my phone in the light tent. It has been about 3 weeks since her last shed so age isn't looking her best right now.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/evebyqub.jpg


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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001

I thought pastel when I saw the picture. Supers have more blushing and a much more faded head IMO


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I'm thinking I should have set up a poll. Of course, I know it would be unanimous at this point; it would just save me the trouble of counting exactly how many people have said she is just a regular pastel and not a super. :)

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

This was taken just now with my phone in the light tent. It has been about 3 weeks since her last shed so age isn't looking her best right now.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/07/evebyqub.jpg


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She still looks gorgeous. If that's what a regular pastel looks like, I guess I have found what I want: A regular pastel, not a super. :D How old is yours?