Pastel?

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I'd say Pastel, not a very good quality one but still a Pastel..

Nice :D gonna go see Saturday if it is really a "she".
Also, was listed as a normal ;)

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That's the brownest Pastel I've ever seen. If my intention was breeding, I wouldn't even take him for free...that's strictly pet quality imo...

Thats a pastel but a very browned out one.

x2 to the pet quality. I wouldnt breed it.

Neither would I. My first thought from the color was NO WAY Pastel but it is. Most brown one I've ever seen

Pastel. It's not the most yellow, but the lighting certainly doesn't help.

Just for fun. This girl is young so you would expect her to still look really nice and yellow. A picture with little/no flash. An 'eh' pastel to some, but to a seasoned eye....a decent pastel in different lighting.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps5e08162b.jpg

Same pastel, same age, with flash this time. This is what she looks like in person.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps48ce262f.jpg


I also do a good job of making this guy look terrible. Pastel male breeding normal female. BTW this guy threw the girl above. He's not the prettiest pastel, but his babies are gorgeous.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps1f386997.jpg

Same pastel male breeding a different normal female.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...eeding/010.jpg

I'm not saying that it will turn out to be a good looking pastel, but I would at least see it in person.

I would go look at it, Yes it is a pastel.
From the looks of that picture I am thinking it might be in shed?

Can I ask everyone what identifies it as a pastel? I would have thought it was a normal. I'm really trying to learn the markers of different morphs.

I am definitely going to look at her. She is over 2 yrs old. Its hard to tell if she is nice but im gonna soil my pants if it is a breeding size female for the price he is selling her to me for. My 2 yr old 2300g pastel girl looks about the same in crap lighting lol.

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Originally Posted by AJs Snake House

I am definitely going to look at her. She is over 2 yrs old. Its hard to tell if she is nice but im gonna soil my pants if it is a breeding size female for the price he is selling her to me for. My 2 yr old 2300g pastel girl looks about the same in crap lighting lol.

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Sounds like a plan to me!

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Originally Posted by sho220

That's the brownest Pastel I've ever seen. If my intention was breeding, I wouldn't even take him for free...that's strictly pet quality imo...

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Honestly, I have to agree.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Thats a pastel but a very browned out one.

x2 to the pet quality. I wouldnt breed it.

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agreed.

I would wait until you see it in person.

Even if it was really brown like that in person, if it carries enough blushing to offset the brown, you could selectively breed her and get decent babies. Now, I would never use her for making super pastels, or lemonblasts or even bees, because they all count on the yellow to be their best. But get you a high gold, super blushed fire boy for her, and I bet she'd make decent fireflies. Or a super yellow lesser boy would be a good match in my opinion. Even a richly colored blushback cinnamon boy would help her bring her best forward. I have one very brown pastel male, but he's got killer blushing and he's a really good looking snake. My pastel girl was really high yellow at first, now she's gone really brown on me, but I think she's at that awkward stage in her growth, and I'm guessing she'll get yellow again around 1000 grams.

So sure, go see her. And before any money exchanges hands, make sure it is a her.

Gale

true dat Gale.

Definitely Gale.

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Ok, I am going to look at her today after the seller gets off work. IF "she" turns out to be female I will probably pick her up. She is $130. I will post more pics tonight if I get her. Wish me luck on NOT expressing a big ol' set of 'penes.

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a Pastel is a Pastel. Its as simple as that. For the most part they all look pretty much the same as adults. No pastel looks the same as an adult as they do as a hatchling. They all brown out. Some a little more than others, yet they all do it.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

For the most part they all look pretty much the same as adults.

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This is not true at all imo, i disagree.

EDIT: You can't honestly tell me that the pastel in the OP looks pretty much the same as this one, taken from WOBP:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/y5ygezet.jpg

OP, I personally wouldn't use her as a breeder. Even with a fire....
The yellow coloration is a trademark for pastel. When said morph doesn't even have that color(even just a little, which all adults should still have), its probably best just to pass.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

a Pastel is a Pastel. Its as simple as that. For the most part they all look pretty much the same as adults. No pastel looks the same as an adult as they do as a hatchling.

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I also disagree with this. Yes, pastels do change as they age. Most morphs do.
But not all pastels look the same as adults.

This is my adult pastel. She is browned out, but still very yellow. Can you say the pastel in the original post is the same? No way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...1f/pastel3.jpg
I used to call her really ugly...but this thread changed my mind......

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My top knotch pastel from Mr. Demeyer has browned out a lot since she was a hatchling but I dont think she is a low quality pastel at all..
Hatchling
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/2epaba4y.jpg
Most recent picture
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/hu5atu7a.jpg
And an older pic in awful lighting....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/ajevuhym.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

This is not true at all imo, i disagree.

EDIT: You can't honestly tell me that the pastel in the OP looks pretty much the same as this one, taken from WOBP:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/y5ygezet.jpg

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Originally Posted by satomi325

OP, I personally wouldn't use her as a breeder. Even with a fire....
The yellow coloration is a trademark for pastel. When said morph doesn't even have that color(even just a little, which all adults should still have), its probably best just to pass.



I also disagree with this. Yes, pastels do change as they age. Most morphs do.
But not all pastels look the same as adults.

This is my adult pastel. She is browned out, but still very yellow. Can you say the pastel in the original post is the same? No way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...1f/pastel3.jpg
I used to call her really ugly...but this thread changed my mind......

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It most absolutely is true. It's all about the picture. You can take a good photo with the right lighting and make just about any pastel look more yellow/brighter. Sorry but MOST pastels do look pretty much the same as adults. Just like Super pastels. They are so much brighter as babies than a normal pastel, yet after they get older they are almost just as "brown" looking. Only real difference is the blushing and head pattern. I have seen supers that big breeders have used that are just as brown as some uglier pastels. Age and size does make all the difference in how they look. The older and bigger they are the more browned they look.

If the OP gets that snake she could take a million pics of it in any lighting. It still wont be as yellow as nikki's or the one i posted. Lighting matters to a degree, but not that much.

I see plenty of yellow in the pic the op posted. Not to mention that that pastel is obviously in shed. :cool:
The yellow doesnt look so yellow because of it being in shed and the crapy lighting.

Also just out of curiosity, how big and how old are these 2 stunning more yellow than your average pastels?

Ok. If the OP gets her and posts post shed pics, it still wont be as yellow as the other ones. I'm willing to bet anything on it.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Also just out of curiosity, how big and how old are these 2 stunning more yellow than your average pastels?

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I have no idea. They look old enough to be adults though. Are you surprised because they aren't as brown as "all the other adult pastels"?!

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

It most absolutely is true. It's all about the picture. You can take a good photo with the right lighting and make just about any pastel look more yellow/brighter. Sorry but MOST pastels do look pretty much the same as adults. Just like Super pastels. They are so much brighter as babies than a normal pastel, yet after they get older they are almost just as "brown" looking. Only real difference is the blushing and head pattern. I have seen supers that big breeders have used that are just as brown as some uglier pastels. Age and size does make all the difference in how they look. The older and bigger they are the more browned they look.

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The picture and lighting only matter so much. You can't polish a turd. Sure you can make it look better. But if it doesn't look good to start with, something as simple as lighting isn't going to make a very big difference.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I have no idea. They look old enough to be adults though. Are you surprised because they aren't as brown as "all the other adult pastels"?!

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You posted a pastel and said it was yours. How old is it and how many grams? After about 1500-2000 grams they darken quite a bit. One of our pastels was one of the brightest pastels I have ever seen. Now she looks like an adult pastel. You would never be able to look at her and imagine her being such a stunner. Sorry but it's just life. All ball pythons look completely different at 2000+grams than they did as 200gram babies.

I could be wrong but your pastel doesnt look to much bigger than about 1200g. Now I could be wrong. Just a guess buy the coloration.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

You posted a pastel and said it was yours. How old is it and how many grams?

One of our pastels was one of the brightest pastels I have ever seen. Now she looks like an adult pastel.

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No i didn't.

Post some pics, please. I wanna see it. It'd be just one example, but still, it'd help prove your point.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

This is not true at all imo, i disagree.

EDIT: You can't honestly tell me that the pastel in the OP looks pretty much the same as this one, taken from WOBP:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/y5ygezet.jpg

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He didnt say it was his, "taken from WOBP"

Ha! posted at exactly the same time.. I got yo back Mike lol :D:D

Okay, I'm game now ;)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps9141b6be.jpg

He is three years old and 1980ish grams.

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

He didnt say it was his, "taken from WOBP"

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I stand corrected it was infact satomi325 who posted the photo I was thinking Mike posted. My bad. Mikes photo was the one from WOBP.

Pit, he is indeed a nice looking pastel. I bet you if he is not in the right lighting he does not look so yellow. Also when he is in shed he looks less yellow. Not to mention that his blushing also helps him look much better.

The lighting in that pic isn't anything special lmao. Thats just a quality pastel.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I stand corrected it was infact satomi325 who posted the photo I was thinking Mike posted. My bad. Mikes photo was the one from WOBP.

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Yea im not sure how big hers is.

Do you have any baby/adult pics of yours?

This guy is an average looking pastel. He was not an ugly looking baby. He is 6 years old and about 2kg. I bet none of you think he is good looking and too "browned out" I can gaurante he makes nice babies.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/100_0732.jpg

here he is in different lighting and setting.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...pastel_m_3.jpg

I will have to do pics of my female later as I dont have access to her pics atm.

Pits pastel is the same size but more yellow...

Your pastel is light and has nice blushing, but is browner.

Guys, do we really need to turn this thread into some kind of ****ing contest?

Yes, all pastels brown out, no matter what line they are or what they look like as babies. Yes, some stay much brighter and more yellow as they age than others do. Yes, pictures taken in poor light with a poor camera can make it harder to tell what a snake truly looks like. No, you cannot make an ugly snake beautiful with bright lights and an expensive camera. No the snake that the OP posted is not in the same class as the higher quality ones pictured, but that doesn't mean it's completely worthless. Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If he goes and sees her in person, and thinks she has potential, then good for him. If he sees her in person and thinks she is not what he had in mind, then he doesn't have to buy her. It's that simple.

Personally, I still think that given a chance and bred to the right males, she could produce decent offspring. Maybe not roackstar quality, but decent enough that people would buy them. But since I have not seen her in person, it is impossible for me to say absolutely she is worth breeding or wow she is totally not worth breeding. Yes, most of us strive to breed the best quality snakes we can, because most of us see far too many poor quality snakes bred by people who just don't care, but we are not the final authority on who breeds what to produce what. That is up to the individual.

I would go to see this girl. Period. Once I see her in person, and can weigh her faults against her good points, then I will decide if she is the snake for me.

Gale

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Pits pastel is the same size but more yellow...

Your pastel is light and has nice blushing, but is browner.

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My point is, just about every Pastel looks rather similar as older adults. Yes some will be a little more yellow than others as some will also be a little more browned.
People are too stuck on what a new hatchling looks like and put down large breeders for being browned out. Most brown out pretty much the same.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Pit, he is indeed a nice looking pastel. I bet you if he is not in the right lighting he does not look so yellow. Also when he is in shed he looks less yellow. Not to mention that his blushing also helps him look much better.

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Bad picture of the same snake
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...e/P1030270.jpg

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Originally Posted by angllady2

Guys, do we really need to turn this thread into some kind of ****ing contest?

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With the last week I have had????
I answered that in my last post ;)

This is pointless. Sorry pit, all pastels are the same i guess. Even though yours is CLEARLY way more yellow, even in the dark. Maybe were color blind?!

Since everyone is posting.pics of "nice," pastels..... Outside natural light no flash 10mp camera and a 4 year-ish old female pastel
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/9u7u8e3u.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/ytydahym.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/uqypy7ar.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/ynymy6uh.jpg

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Unfortunately, yesterday my 10 yr didnt come home from school (he decided to play instead of telling us first). So after searching for an hr with the police we finally found him and thank god he is safe! So... we will be going today instead to look her over. I woll post pics and such later this evening.

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Since everyone is posting.pics of "nice," pastels..... Outside natural light no flash 10mp camera and a 4 year-ish old female pastel
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/9u7u8e3u.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/ytydahym.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/uqypy7ar.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/04/ynymy6uh.jpg

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Yup definitely browned out. :rolleyes:

Ok so It did in fact, pop female so picked her up. She is a lot smaller than I thought she was gonna be...she is probably around 900 g @ 2 yrs old. :(
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/na7yda3u.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/hatu3u5e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/7aruha2u.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/8ary8umy.jpg
Btw: it is a very overcast day today so I will get some new pics tomorrow in natural sunlight with no flash. Also, that last girl is SMOKING!

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What do you guys think?

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I like the blushing

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I'm going to dive in here but not to argue with people. What I will say and I truly believe this is pastel quality does play a role in the quality of offspring. You can't tell me that NERDs lemon pastels look anything close to the same as joe shmoe down the road. He line bred his pastels for many years to produce the best examples he could. That proves that breeding the best examples makes the best babies. Now another thing I think is pastel quality I find comes out best I the combos, not strictly the single genes. Take the bumblebee. A high quality bee (Doolittle and karote) are stunners as adults. The thing that separates a high quality bee from a low quality bee is the pastel. I've seen some bees that personally look like slightly brighter spiders instead of the yellow and black sexyness that they should look like.

Here is my 1500g pastel female that I think is a very nice pastel for her size and age. Will she brown out more, yes. But I watched a very good friend of mine buy an OK pastel hatchling that wasn't even close to this yellow. So I leave it to you. What would you rather look at, bright yellow or brown?

400g
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/8uvuhypa.jpg

1500g
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/05/jeze9asu.jpg