Corn snake info o_O

It seems that Corn Snake info is a little more scarce then BP info here. While I am gearing up for my BP, I'm looking into Corn snakes mostly because I'm afraid for my future BP ;)

I'm beginning to think maybe I should take a lower maintenence snake first and build up to a BP. I really want a BP and I'm sure I will get one in the near future. But for the time being, I think its better I hone my husbandry skills on a Corn snake.

And what is the difference between a corn and kingsnake o_O
I saw some pictures of some corn snake morphs and kingsnake morphs and the kingsnakes appealed to me more, I saw a jet black Kingsnake which was all shiny and oooh looked great ^_^

What are the temps? I heard they were lower then BP around 80-85 on the hotside and 70-75 on the cool side?

And there was no need to monitor the humidity either, or so I read?

Corns are easier than BPs. Yes.

Corns and Kings are very close....except their color...and some feeding habits. IE Kings each other snakes, Corns...usually do not.

A King or Corn would both be a great choice.

Yes humidity is good to monitor........for any reptile.

Well it doesn't have to monitored as closely as a BP who needs like 65-70% humidity, I read these don't need nearly as much.

Can anyone tell me the different morphs and their relative costs or maybe even some pics of some corns/kings?

Yep..but still needs to be monitored lol

your looking at probably anywhere from $20 -$100 depending on the morph. There are ALOT of different morphs. Check this site out

http://ballpythonmorphs.com/

Kings are also cool snakes. There are different kinds and different morphs although not nearly as many as corns.
I have a greybanded kingsnake (alterna phase). He is one cool cat.
check out my photo gallery.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules....ndex&cat=10418

I have 3 different morphs of corn snakes and one King snake.

Are my temps correct though for corn and kingsnakes?

And what online breeders have these? Same as pythons?

I hope you didn't get put off of a ball python by that troll thread... From what I've seen, it sounds like you've done a lot of preparation and research and I think you'd be ready for one. However, you would know best what you are or aren't ready for.

The major difference between corn snakes is shape and diet; king snakes heads aren't very pronounced. Corn snakes have small heads as well but you can still distinguish it from the rest of the body. Also, king snakes eat other snakes in the wild, including rattlesnakes so definitely be careful if housing them together (i.e. never except to breed). I remember reading in a book a long time ago about a freak 2 headed kingsnake that eventually died because one head tried to eat the other.

Corn snakes do make amazing pets; I was considering purchasing a pair and try my luck breeding them for the experience. Due to the abundance of morphs, you are almost sure to find one you like the looks of. Unlike ball pythons, corn snake morphs are relatively inexpensive, costing only marginally more than normal corn snakes.

Realistically, for either, as long as your room is kept at room temperature, all you really need is an incandescent bulb for basking. Humidity isn't a big deal, just a water bowl big enough for them to soak in should be all you need in that department. However, it never hurts to monitor these things a bit closer to ensure the health and happiness of your snake.

Id go 85 hot 75 cool if ya can. I wouldnt want to go under 75 if ya can avoid it.

Ya know I remember seeing a 2 headed king snake at the zoo when I was little. Pretty cool. I bet it doesnt happen too often...

Do I absolutely NEED an incandescent basking light?

As for being put off by a troll's thread, never. I still want a BP very badly. But I would feel much much more confident in my ability to care for a BP if I can prove myself with a lower maintenence snake like a corn or king.

You do not need any UV lighting for corn snakes. They do however need 12 hours light 12 hours dark. So I would recommend getting a light.

Right now I'm looking through Eastbayvivarium.com listing of corn snakes and king snakes. I kinda like the snow cause its pretty much all white. And I kinda like the ghost one too.

But the king snakes, the only one I seem to be interested in is the Mexican Black Kingsnake and the Desert Striped.

Anyone have good websites with kingsnake morphs?

Normal light? Cause I have a snake light *not a light for snakes, a light thats like a snake ^_^* That I could put right next to the tank to shine light in it.

Well, I say incandescent because fluorescent lights don't put out much heat and since they don't need uv lighting a simple incandescent bulb can handle both your heating and photoperiod requirements.

Oh ok I gotcha ^_^

I already have a UTH providing heat.

I'm assuming I need to have a cold and hot side just like BP's? Its a snake thing not a BP thing correct? Has to do with them not being able to self regulate their internal temps?

Yep. There's just more leeway with a corn snake, since their habitat includes temperate climates (as far north as Maryland and southern New Jersey).

Yeah, it could be normal light.
If you like snow corns you'll love the blizard corns. :)
http://www.jsreptiles.com/images/blizzard_large.jpg

hhw have you seen my setup pictures in the BP husbandry section? I'm assuming that is going to be way too big for a baby cornsnake >_<

I heard Corns go from 2.5-4ft in length? How big are they as babies?
Same with Kingsnakes? Same lengths?

Also, could someone point me in the direction of some corn and king care sheets? I wanna make sure I have everything I need for this.

Are these the morphs around for Corns?

www.cornsnakemorphs.com

Here's some sites I frequent....

Corn snake morphs:
http://members.aol.com/guttata319/Hawkherp/morfs.html
http://www.reptilerooms.com/Sections...41-page-1.html
http://www.reptimania.co.uk/cornmorphs.htm

Corn snake breeders:
http://www.cornutopia.com/
http://www.cornsnake.net/new/cornprice.php3
http://www.cunninghamselaphe.com/newworld.html

Corn snake care sheets:
http://www.cornsnake.net/new/care.php3
http://coloherp.org/careshts/snakes/cornsnake.php

I highly recommend the "Corn Snake Manual"- it's written by the breeder at cornutopia.com. It's a good book to have. You can probably check it out at the library. That's what I did before I bought it. I also checked out "A Color Guide to Corn snakes".

Here's a couple of Kingsnake reference sites:
http://www.geocities.com/kingbones7/specielist.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~mcs2/herp/Lampropeltis.html

Tiger, how did you get to be so awesome? :P
Did you have to practice alot ;)

Thank you ^_^

I'm a research fanatic and every spare second I get I'm trying to learn about critters. You must share pics of your snakes when you get them...I'm excited to see what you end up getting.

Oh don't worry I'll post some pics ^_^

My tank is pretty much stable in temp so right now I'm still looking into some Blizzard corns and Mex Blacks.

Pretty sure I will get my Mexican Black from snakesatsunset.com

They have pretty good prices and shipping isn't super expensive either.

Currently waiting for a reply email from them after asking a few questions ^_^

Any repitle shows near you? Where are you located?

There is only 1 reptile show "near" me, and its on July 18th in White Plains NY.

The only problem is its a 2.5hr drive, and with the horrible traffic, it turns into a 4-5 hour drive, and thats just 1 way. I don't have the time to do that, I'd much rather invest some extra cash into a respectable breeder online to get it delivered here in a day.

what would be the abosolute smallest tank you could house a corn snake?

I would say a 20 gallon is pushing it alittle.

20 long is the minimum I'd go with

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There is only 1 reptile show "near" me, and its on July 18th in White Plains NY.

The only problem is its a 2.5hr drive, and with the horrible traffic, it turns into a 4-5 hour drive, and thats just 1 way. I don't have the time to do that, I'd much rather invest some extra cash into a respectable breeder online to get it delivered here in a day.

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That's right - I remmeber now! :oops:

No problem tiger :P No need to feel embarrased :P

So you see I have no real problem with spending extra for shipping, it would end up costing me more in gas to go to that reptile show as it is.
Problem is finding that perfect breeder, still waiting for snakesatsunset.com to reply ^_^

Keep me updated! :D

Dern those snakesatsunset.com peoples >_<

They only have 1 email address that I can see, and I got a notice back of delivery failure which means their email isn't there anymore T_T

So I guess I'll just wait until Monday or Tuesday and call them, seeing as they only ship between Monday-Thursday >_<

Out of the 3 reputable websites you gave me at kingsnake.com forums:

East Bay Vivarium charges an arm and a leg for shipping, between $55-$115 just for shipping + handling charges

Renegade Reptiles is all sold out of MBK's

I've already talked about snakesatsunset.com

The other 4 you didn't know anything about:

Exoticsbynature.com didn't have a list of currently available snakes.

S & N Reptiles seem to only sell their snakes in pairs, and I don't have the space for 2 tanks at the moment, not to mention their females are 10-20% more expensive.

BHB Enterprizes shipping is slightly on the expensive side, and you have to pick it up at the airport, and if you want it delivered to your door, its more expensive.

And Isis Reptiles only sells in pairs as well, and have no shipping info at all o_O

So frustrating finding a good online breeder, wish they would just have a reptile expo closer to me, and sooner too.

I had no idea shipping could be that high. I hope you get in touch with sunset soon. Makes me glad I do have a reptile show near me. Have you tried finding a corn or are you looking for MBKs first?

Well I am kinda torn. I would like a Blizzard Corn, but they seem to be even harder to track down then MBK's. At this point I'm favoring an MBK only because its jet black, and I love anything that is that black ^_^ Plus, it looks like it was sent from Hell to consume my soul O_O

Plus, my tub is already at the 85-90* on the hotside and 75-80* on the cool side so as far as I know thats good for MBK. I'm pretty sure Corns are lower then that? 80-85 on the hotside?

Anyways, Mexican Black Kingsnake sounds cooler, not to mention I can just use its initials and have everyone know what I'm talking about without typing that whole thing out ^_^

Can't go wrong with a normal. They're nice looking by themselves. I recommend a crimson corn tho, those are extremely beautiful.

Well, hopefully sunset will come through for you. I just love my MBK - I wanted an all black snake as well and settled on that species. I also wanted an all white snake. I had a few species in mind but when I saw my snow corn I was in love and figured that's close enough.

I'd also recommend an Okeetee Corn or Bloodred - they'd be my next choice if I got another corn. They're gorgeous. So Cornutopia and SouthMountain don't have any available?

I just remembered another breeder - can't believe I forgot them. I've heard lots of great things about them and their animals: http://www.cherryvillereptiles.com/
At least I don't think I gave their link to you :?:

Well Cornutopia has Blizzards but a female blizzard will cost $81 plus shipping.

None of the other Corn's really appeal to me except the Bloodreds with the Diffused pattern, but those are $106 for a female >_<

And I can't get onto the southmountain website from the link you gave me over at kingsnake.

The MBK is perfect for me I think ^_^

I checked cherryville before and they have both MBK's and Blizzards, but I'm pretty sure their shipping is very expensive as well, as they only use Delta Dash of Airborne and they tend to be around 100$ shipping.

Let's try that link again:
http://www.cornsnake.net/new/index.php3

I do see that they're shipping is $34-44 next day to your door. They're blizzards are $65. If the link doesn't work their phone lines are open 7 days a week: (830)964-3200

Thank you Tiger, that link works just fine ^_^

I think I will hold off on the Blizzard for now, maybe after I'vehad my MBK for a while. Right now I really want that MBK, its calling me ^_^

I have never been especially attracted to corn snakes -- I don't care for the busy patterns much -- but this is amazing. Thanks for that link, TG!

Makes your mouth water doesn't it? I felt the same way about corns at first. Then I fell in love with the Okeetee and the Bloodreds...and it went on from there. .......

Unfortunately, unless the laws change or I leave the state, I can't legally own a corn snake without an educational permit requiring I do 12 hours of education each years and have my premises inspected. It even applies to morphs which are documented as captive bred outside the state and which could not be found/survive in the wild. But yeah, if I were going to have one, the bloodred would be my #1 choice, followed by Okeetee. :sigh:

That's too bad. But at least there are plenty of other wonderful herps to choose from!

Wow, that is a great website! I almost want to order one from there but I think I'm going to wait for a herp show.

That's true, and if I ever wanted to keep hots, this is an excellent state to do it in!

I'm scared of ordering one from online...I feel like it must be very hurtful to the snakes. I could be wrong, but I'd rather meet my snake in person. Isn't that the fun in it all?