When making Bumble Bees....

What determines how clean looking a Bumble Bee looks? Is it the low pattern on the Spider or how bright the Pastel is? Or is it just purely chance. I ask this because I have 2 male Pastels, one slightly darker then the other and an extremely clean and light colored Spider female.

Lighter the pastel the better.

You want a nice bright, yellow pastel and a nice reduced spider. You have better chances at a pretty bumblebee if you breed pretty parents. Two uglies don't make a pretty ;)

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

You want a nice bright, yellow pastel and a nice reduced spider. You have better chances at a pretty bumblebee if you breed pretty parents. Two uglies don't make a pretty ;)

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^^^^ All of that ^^^^

the genetics of the parents and grandparents will greatly affect the outcome. If the ancestry looks nice, the offspring is much more likely to look nice.

But you also have to ask: Do you breed an awesome looking pastel to an awesome looking spider, for a 25% chance to hit a bee, which will then hopefully look REALLY awesome?

Or do you breed a nice looking killer bee (super pastel spider) to a nice looking pewter (cinnamon pastel)? Ok chances to hit just a bee with only pastel+spider get quite slim, and unless you are breeding over multiple generations and have your own lines the quality of these bees will be hard to predict.

Both approaches produce awesome-looking snakes that can be stunningly beautiful. And both are completely justified, one approach creates the best picture-perfect bees and the other approach puts out new combos and decent BPs with 3 or more genes.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

Two uglies don't make a pretty ;)

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I wish people would consider this before reproducing!

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

the genetics of the parents and grandparents will greatly affect the outcome. If the ancestry looks nice, the offspring is much more likely to look nice.

But you also have to ask: Do you breed an awesome looking pastel to an awesome looking spider, for a 25% chance to hit a bee, which will then hopefully look REALLY awesome?

Or do you breed a nice looking killer bee (super pastel spider) to a nice looking pewter (cinnamon pastel)? Ok chances to hit just a bee with only pastel+spider get quite slim, and unless you are breeding over multiple generations and have your own lines the quality of these bees will be hard to predict.

Both approaches produce awesome-looking snakes that can be stunningly beautiful. And both are completely justified, one approach creates the best picture-perfect bees and the other approach puts out new combos and decent BPs with 3 or more genes.

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What are you on about? How is using multi-gene animals with unknown lineage going to help ensure the OP gets nice Bees? The question was not how to get 4, 5 or 6 gene animals.

THIS is part of the thought process that floods the market with sub-par Bees. Many of the not-so-great Bees we see are cast offs from multi-gene breeding where the base ingredients were not well considered.

The best bet for producing solid spectacular bees is to pair the cleanest, brightest Spider with the absolute brightest Pastel that can be found. THIS is the building block that have the best chance of netting great results. THEN those offspring can be used to make spectacular 3 and 4 gene animals. Not the other way around.

Pay attention to the pattern of your pastel, also. My bee male throws clean, reduced spiders, but very busy pastels and bees, which tells me his pastel side is definitely influencing the spider pattern in the bee offspring.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Pay attention to the pattern of your pastel, also. My bee male throws clean, reduced spiders, but very busy pastels and bees, which tells me his pastel side is definitely influencing the spider pattern in the bee offspring.

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I fully agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Pay attention to the pattern of your pastel, also. My bee male throws clean, reduced spiders, but very busy pastels and bees, which tells me his pastel side is definitely influencing the spider pattern in the bee offspring.

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That's definitely something to consider. I failed to mention that in my comment.

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Originally Posted by BHReptiles

You want a nice bright, yellow pastel and a nice reduced spider. You have better chances at a pretty bumblebee if you breed pretty parents. Two uglies don't make a pretty ;)

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lol that is so true!

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Pay attention to the pattern of your pastel, also. My bee male throws clean, reduced spiders, but very busy pastels and bees, which tells me his pastel side is definitely influencing the spider pattern in the bee offspring.

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I hope our bee continues to throw us some nice little ones. Can't comment on his spiders but the pastels and bee's are rather nice. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/30/y8u3enan.jpg