other people point of view on this??

Ok I wont go into many details ( won't give the guy's name out so don't ask)
But I want everyone point of view and thoughts on this.

I know a guy who gotten into ball pythons to try and make money ( I told him it not going to happen as easy as he thinks) But he spent about 10k in getting snakes from various breeders and such ( all adult breeding size ball pythons) Well he takes them to a friend of both of ours when ever her got issues (this guy does not have a clue or is willing to listen to those with more xp with snakes.)
Anyhow Here an example of the kinds of things he does and such.
He will haggle over the price for a snake ( with everyone ) ( example: a pastel female 3k in weight worth say 500. HE will call the guy and say I will give you 200 max take it or leave it. He then wants to sell it or trade it off if not eating within 2 weeks. Most of us have told him the snakes needs time to settle down and adjust to the new home and such ( not to be surprise if it won't eat for a month or so ) The bad part is that snake he had for less than a month he paid 200 for is all of a sudden worth the 500 and he wont go any lower.

The second problem we are having with him is the QT ( explained it mutli times to him) that you can't just get snakes and have them all in the same room and expect there not to be a RI, start eating right away, and breed from the get go) So we have not been surprised when he calling about Possible RI and such ( this guy can't tell what lock is) But in the last 2 weeks I think the guy has tossed 4 snakes in his freezer whining they got the worst RI's he ever seen. I have offered to take the so called sick snakes for him and get treated and bring them back to health.( at my own limited expanse) But he refuses saying it a bad business move ( and tossing it into the freezer is a better one ) I mean come on I offering to help you and save the snake's life and you most likely will get it back alive and usable within 120 days if it live. ( as of right now I know of a pinstripe het albino, het albino , and bumble bee that he tossed in freezer, and that he lost an albino as well ( died before he tossed it in I guess)
I heard of others from a friend but I don't know the morphs.

I am not sure on how to deal with this guy outside of washing my hands of him and telling him bluntly not to bother us again, Of to was not for the snakes I would of done this 3 months ago ( I known him for like 4-5 months roughly ) We all are tired of having to deal with this guy. ( good breeder friend, 4thesnakelady and myself.) I know there possible some other breeders at the Hamburg and Harve de Grace shows that are getting bad vibes off this guy.
SO I like to here everyone point of view on this and such.

Make a BOI thread maybe...?

Sounds sketchy. Please PM me the name (if you don't wanna say the name publicly) so i can avoid him. I wont share the name.

BOI. Wash your hands of this guy, he's bad news. As much as I understand you wanting to save the snakes, handing them back to him is far more cruel.

I agree with the others. Wash your hands of him. If you continue to try to help him, eventually, his bad vibes will start rubbing off on you.

And, yes, I would absolutely go to the BOI. Only thing is, you will have to be prepared to give his name there. But with business ethics like his (or lack of them), I highly advise doing so - on the BOI, not here. You'll have to get over your reservations of giving out his name. He is playing with fire and he's going to burn himself. You don't want him to burn you in the process. Post a thread on the BOI.

Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to be associated with at all. He's like the Michael Vick of BP breeding.

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Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to be associated with at all. He's like the Michael Vick of BP breeding.

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What's wrong with Mike Vick, seems like a decent guy

Sounds like a very unprofessional way to enter the breeding world. Just buying your way in half-cocked sounds pretty stupid to me. I would sever all bonds with this guy and warn anyone you know from doing business with him. I hope to someday, probably 4 years from now to maybe have a table at a reptile show. And I will exude pride and professionalism in my wares knowing they came from the best of beginnings.

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Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to be associated with at all. He's like the Michael Vick of BP breeding.

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You can fight ball pythons?!

Yep walk away. People like this don't need to be in the hobby.
First time pet owners that might pick up a snake from him at a show, might not remember his name. They will remember the show when their snake sick or dies.

Rob I hope you are kidding.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

You can fight ball pythons?!

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Lol....that was literally my first thought when I read that. I had to read threw the OP to see if I had missed something.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

Rob I hope you are kidding.

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I mean he threw some bad balls, and fumbled too much last year. But that's hardly a reason to blast him so bad.



.......of course I'm kidding lol

Ugh! As someone new to BP keeping (and hopefully breeding in a few years when my youngsters grow up), your post made me feel ill.

Unfortunately the best way to get this guy to drop the whole idea and move on to another "get rich quick" scheme - hopefully one that does not involve live animals - is to let him fail as hard and as fast as possible. This means withdrawing all help. If you don't want to publically out him, at least consider privately contacting the people he has purchased animals from so he finds it harder to purchase new animals. A breeder who cares about the health and welfare of the animals he sells will stop selling to the guy, and one in the biz strictly for the bucks will refuse to negotiate with him.

Considering what you've posted here I'm also surprised this guy hasn't blamed the sellers for sending him sick animals.

I feel sorry for his snakes. He's throwing away morphs that people like me would love to have. :tears:

Absolute scum imo. And I don't say that often.

Freezing a reptile is inhumane. Call animal control for animal cruelty. Not to mention the BOI. The least he could do is give them a humane death if he really refuses to surrender, sell, or treat them. Jeeze.
Tell him to grow up and be a responsible adults. He's acting like a ignorant child who isn't getting their way.

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.....throwing snakes in the freezer when they're sick?!? :confusd: I almost cried when I read that. "It's a bad business move" to give somebody else a sick snake so that they can give it proper care!? So instead he just kills it................this guy makes me sick.

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I think it'd be more of a 'who can look the most helpless' competition...

He sounds like someone who I would disassociate myself with. Cruelty to animals is something I don't take lightly. Rid yourself of him and let people know who this guy is to protect others from doing buisness with him, and possibly getting sick animals from him while putting money in his pocket!

Well I say you guys won't be dealing with him he has to steal his net access from neighbors ( when he can get a signal ) and he does not have texting or other ways to contact people, he mainly a craigslist and fauna type looker ( bot lacks an account on both I think) I will not say that he is just off interstate 95 in Delaware and Balls deep reptiles does not even want to talk with him anymore. ( I became a good friend with Joe the owner lol)
If you know who he is ( joe) then in the last 4 months you met the guy that usually on his but like a tick lol

If the guy is getting morphs then everyone should know who he is, what he's doing and where he's located(in general) so they don't send their valued animals to him.

I would definitely go to the BOI. I mean, why cover up what he's doing? Why protect him? By doing nothing, and trying to assist him too, you're basically telling him that it's okay to do these things. If enough respected reptile people made a point of disassociating with him entirely, he MIGHT get a clue that maybe he's wrong.

Yeah I would have to say that the best thing to do would be to expose this guy on the BOI. The only person being protected by not doing so is him, and he certainly doesn't deserve it. Honestly, those who are in this hobby for the love of the animals deserve to know that this is not someone to buy from or sell to. I would be very upset if an animal that I worked hard to raise had gone to a person that didn't care for it properly and then threw it in a freezer when an inevitable RI occured. Not to mention the animal cruelty and complete disrespect for the animals in question. These kind of practices are disgusting and they need to be stopped.

You should become his best buddy. That way in a few months when he decides to make tons of money breeding miniature roses or trading Hummel figurines, he'll let you have all of his snakes for a song. :rolleye2::rolleye2:

(I'm kidding, kick him to the curb)

Shake yourself loose of this guy. Spread his name around, and go the BOI with all of this. The poor animals. He is disgusting.

Snakes should never be out in the freezer for any reason, much less for your bottom line. If euthanasia MUST happen, there are far more humane ways than that. A responsible, determined breeder would have done the research and found the gut to use these methods AFTER going through all the trouble they could muster to improve the snake's health to no avail.

He is really bad news.

That person is absolutely ridiculous, just disassociate yourself from him.
Nothing good can come out of it.

No sir I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

I must admit the freezer executions caught me off guard.

I have to reiterate that it is actually important to expose this person. Spread his name far and wide and post a detailed report on the BOI. I understand fully why you don't want to name names, but sometimes doing so is actually the more responsible thing to do for the community as a whole.

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I have to reiterate that it is actually important to expose this person. Spread his name far and wide and post a detailed report on the BOI. I understand fully why you don't want to name names, but sometimes doing so is actually the more responsible thing to do for the community as a whole.

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PLEASE listen to the people who are saying this.

He dont needed them hey dont know how to work this sit thevone guses i was want to breed my female ball python to my male right he only a sub adult male

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He dont needed them hey dont know how to work this sit thevone guses i was want to breed my female ball python to my male right he only a sub adult male

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What?:confusd:

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^This. Shawn, you really need to do a better job with punctuation and spelling if you want people to understand you. The best translation I can come up with (I don't know why I'm even trying. I must be bored):

He (the guy this thread is about?) doesn't need them (the snakes he froze? the people who don't want to do business with him?). He doesn't know how to work this site. I was wanting to breed my female ball python to my male but right now he is only a subadult male (not sure what this has to do with this thread).

Freezing them to euthanize them?! Correct me if I'm wrong, but since reptiles are cold-blooded, wouldn't this be one of the SLOWEST ways to euthanize them?

Ugh, I don't even have words for this kind of person. Anyone who gets into animals for the money is bad news... I'm a huge believer in karma, and I hope it hits this guy HARD. Try to get the rest of his animals away from him. Get his name out there so no one will sell him another one, or buy from him in the future. Call animal control or the humane society on him for the treatment of his animals. I'm certain they could get him on his idea of "humane euthanasia". Although I don't think he even cares if it's humane or not...

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Freezing them to euthanize them?! Correct me if I'm wrong, but since reptiles are cold-blooded, wouldn't this be one of the SLOWEST ways to euthanize them?

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Their mechanical functions shut down when they're too cold, but unlike warm blooded animals they don't die before freezing. Their nervous system is active while the cell walls burst from the ice forming inside them. The warm-blooded equivalent would be burning alive, where you die from destruction of cells rather than your body 'shutting down'.

Please name this guy so I know who to never deal with or support with my money in any way possible as I am usually at the east coast/mid atlantic shows...

I know it's just me, but frankly I wouldn't throw my worst enemy under the wheels of the BOI bus. Just wash your hands of him and have done. He'll self destruct all on his own in good time.

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.....throwing snakes in the freezer when they're sick?!? :confusd: I almost cried when I read that. "It's a bad business move" to give somebody else a sick snake so that they can give it proper care!? So instead he just kills it................this guy makes me sick.

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Totally....the guy is a total d-bag. No compassion whatsoever. And yeah, if your like this guy, and wanna involve yourself in some kinda "get rich quick" scheme, DONT do it with something that involves ANIMALS. I feel like spitting on him.

Sounds like a total douchebag. They're rampant in the Ball Python "community". The delusion of getting rich quick opens the floodgates for the masses of morons to pour through. Just an unavoidable side effect of something that appeals to so many different types of people. Spot them quick, belittle them (just for fun), and then avoid them. :D

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Well I say you guys won't be dealing with him he has to steal his net access from neighbors ( when he can get a signal ) and he does not have texting or other ways to contact people, he mainly a craigslist and fauna type looker ( bot lacks an account on both I think) I will not say that he is just off interstate 95 in Delaware and Balls deep reptiles does not even want to talk with him anymore. ( I became a good friend with Joe the owner lol)
If you know who he is ( joe) then in the last 4 months you met the guy that usually on his but like a tick lol

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I'm not sure I understand why you feel it is appropriate to post the name of a friend who associates/associated with this guy, but not the guy himself. Other friends could potentially try to use Joe as a reference, and now folks who have read this thread might go "But wait, are you THAT guy?!" Either post a BOI, or just keep your distance from the creep. You weren't going to get any advice different from that on this forum.

Just finished reading the whole thread...Of course he's in Delaware.

I don't want to get Joe in trouble if the guys get word he being dis on the forums. Joe is I great guy I have dealt with a lot since I met him. The guy in Question has hinted that he blames Joe for his collection being sick ( now it the entire collection ) Cause Joe had a pair of snakes develop an RI.
The guys( first name is all I know)Jerry. I know he been out buying snakes and just adds them to the collection and try's to get them breeding right away. I would not be surprised if his entire collection is dead with in a month ( sad to sad but the way he acts is how it hitting really fast,)

Nothing to add, but all the different euphemisms for not associating with someone any longer made me chuckle.

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I got his full names so I warn not to deal with him. It Jerry Blankenship ( spelling). I also was over his house yesterday he had a spider on slugs ( thinking the eggs were good) and out of all these so called sick snakes I only found 1 that actually any form of sick. so I figure I bet he froze off 3 healthy snakes.