Is this Dinker worth messing with?

Got this Dinker female as a freebie, wondered if it's even worth messing with. I've got exactly jack squat knowledge of morphs at this point, but I thought I saw Granite in there. Dunno if it'd do anything interesting if bred to a, say, pastel...

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http://i.imgur.com/jmSaAAD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/O6l96Zl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UCXNRdo.jpg

Thoughts?

I see a normal.

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Hey a freebie is a freebie.
If your going to be caring for her, might as well see what she has to offer :D

Ok... so what am I missing here? From what I've read what makes a granite a granite is more speckling than concentrated spots on the sides... This may not have a lot of those markings, but I definitely see some that are different from my het albino male.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to increase the value of this snake. I'm merely wondering if it'd be worth raising it to breeding size and then putting it with a pastel, or if I'm just wasting my time with it and should try to sell it locally as a normal.

I'm seeing next to none granite marks IMO or anything other than a normal, but if she's indeed a female then throw a cool male to her in time (if you like pastels then a two or three gene pastel morph male?)

I think I'm just going to find another home for her. I really want to focus on producing albino variations and she just doesn't fit into that plan. Unfortunately the same can be said for most of my current collection... I really need to find someone in ATL to do some swapping with.

I looks like a regular normal to me, but that doesn't mean you can't bred it ;)

I agree - regular normal.

There is a ton of natural variation - so things can look cool or different due to polygenic differences but not actually be a morph.

Yep, a normal.

Normal! if its a female why not breed her and see what you get, if you have a nice male to pair her with?

Normal looking. :gj:

healthy looking normal.

No two normals look the same and there is a lot of variety, but this is well within the spectrum. The speckling is too weak to be a morph.

she looks normal to me too - it takes more than just a bit of speckling to make a genetic granite and she just doesn't have the look at all. I still don't see why you can't keep her and breed her though. If you really want to concentrate on albino projects then you will need some hets and she looks like she could make you some nice ones.

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Originally Posted by yardy

she looks normal to me too - it takes more than just a bit of speckling to make a genetic granite and she just doesn't have the look at all. I still don't see why you can't keep her and breed her though. If you really want to concentrate on albino projects then you will need some hets and she looks like she could make you some nice ones.

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My plans are to have about 3 albino females and various x het albino males. If I bred the het albino males to her I'd only be looking at 50% hets, not worth the time IMO. Hopefully I'll find someone that's got some co-doms they want to breed.

She's just a normal, but, she does need a home.... and you have her already.... and she doesn't deserve being passed around and moved around from person to person just because she's just a "normal, and no one want to breed a normal"
I get how you feel, but, if space isn't an issue, then why not just keep her as a pet, without breeding concerns? But if you are ONLY concentrating on breeding, that Girl you got WILL produce some really quality babies. Just pair her up with your pastel, and trade one of the best babies or a few of the babies for something else to breed with her.
That's what I'm doing with mine.

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

She's just a normal, but, she does need a home.... and you have her already.... and she doesn't deserve being passed around and moved around from person to person just because she's just a "normal, and no one want to breed a normal"
I get how you feel, but, if space isn't an issue, then why not just keep her as a pet, without breeding concerns? But if you are ONLY concentrating on breeding, that Girl you got WILL produce some really quality babies. Just pair her up with your pastel, and trade one of the best babies or a few of the babies for something else to breed with her.
That's what I'm doing with mine.

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Two words: My wife. Getting her to let me get one was hard enough. Two was a battle. The three that came together (my Albino female, my het Albino male, and this girl) was WWIII... I don't think I'll be able to work towards my goal and keep what I have, unfortunately. I'm probably going to have to let the spider female and pastel male I've got go too so I can get a couple more Albino females. I'm not looking to breed to make money. I just want to produce a few albino morphs that I can't afford to buy and maybe defray the costs of this hobby a bit. I agree that it's not fair to pass her around, but it's even less fair to have her in a situation where she doesn't get that much attention, and I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

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Originally Posted by ChaosAffect

My plans are to have about 3 albino females and various x het albino males. If I bred the het albino males to her I'd only be looking at 50% hets, not worth the time IMO. Hopefully I'll find someone that's got some co-doms they want to breed.

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you need 1 male for 2-3 females, if you want to get into breeding and want to keep the numbers low. Also, because of this, because all breeders work like this, males are cheaper than females, especially when it comes to combos. You will accomplish more if you get one or two awesome looking visible albino males, and 3-6 het albino (+ something else) females.

When you breed a male het albino to 3 visible albino females, the result will be identical to breeding a male visible albino to 3 het albino females. The odds on the clutches and the hatchlings will be the same. But one of these two options makes less sense and will be more expensive.

But if 5 BPs are upper limit, it gets difficult. I would say 2 male 3 female, and take care the males carry lots of good genes ;)

Why not get a visual male, and keep her to produce a plethora of Hets, then keep all those girls and before you know it, you will have LOTS of visuals.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

you need 1 male for 2-3 females, if you want to get into breeding and want to keep the numbers low. Also, because of this, because all breeders work like this, males are cheaper than females, especially when it comes to combos. You will accomplish more if you get one or two awesome looking visible albino males, and 3-6 het albino (+ something else) females.

When you breed a male het albino to 3 visible albino females, the result will be identical to breeding a male visible albino to 3 het albino females. The odds on the clutches and the hatchlings will be the same. But one of these two options makes less sense and will be more expensive.

But if 5 BPs are upper limit, it gets difficult. I would say 2 male 3 female, and take care the males carry lots of good genes ;)

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You know, I had this whole long thing defending my position typed out, then I actually stopped and re-read what you posted and realized that you're absolutely right. Dammit. I'm definitely not giving up my albino girl, she's teh awesome, but I'm most likely going to need to snag a 1.0 albino too, eventually. For now I need to be focusing on finding homes for the missteps that I've made and acquiring spider and enchi het albino females...

That's the problem with getting into a hobby too fast, you realize that you've gone down one path too far and have to backtrack. I appreciate the advice, and apologize if I've been pigheaded up to this point.

As for the normal female... unfortunately it still doesn't make sense for me to keep her.

Ignore that post. In re-reading your post, I believe you are looking for morph het girls, not that you already have them.

Gale

They're all worth messing with. If you see something special in this snake, then you should persue it. The only way to find out if there is something special there is to breed it and work with it. If it doesn't prove out to be anything special, at least you got more baby snakes. And that's never a bad thing.

Looks like a very normal normal..lol
For all you know, it's het Sunset so breed away.

One breeder told me the most wise decision he made when starting out breeding was to buy 10 Normal females.

I would not let her go personally, but if she needs a home I will gladly take her off your hands and pair her with my 1.0 Banana this fall ;)

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Originally Posted by ChaosAffect

Two words: My wife. Getting her to let me get one was hard enough. Two was a battle. The three that came together (my Albino female, my het Albino male, and this girl) was WWIII... I don't think I'll be able to work towards my goal and keep what I have, unfortunately. I'm probably going to have to let the spider female and pastel male I've got go too so I can get a couple more Albino females. I'm not looking to breed to make money. I just want to produce a few albino morphs that I can't afford to buy and maybe defray the costs of this hobby a bit. I agree that it's not fair to pass her around, but it's even less fair to have her in a situation where she doesn't get that much attention, and I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

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I get that... my father wasn't particularly a fan of snakes, at all, when I got my first one... but as I taught my dad about different snakes and I took him to reptile shows, and just got him used to the idea of keeping snakes... my one snake turned into 3, which turned into 4, then 5, then 6... and a few in between.... now he's the one more concerened about breeding them than myself! lol. We quiz eachother on BP morphs and how to get certain morphs and he grew more comfortable with snakes and my hobby.
With your wife, it may be more difficult to get her comfortable with your hobby.... but, if she's allowing you to keep your new snakes, then try breeding them with your original snakes, or whatever you choose, for a season... and see what they produce. If you don't like the results, rehome the snakes that didn't produce the results you liked. Who knows! That "normal" may have some Het-something in her!

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Originally Posted by valhalha30

I get that... my father wasn't particularly a fan of snakes, at all, when I got my first one... but as I taught my dad about different snakes and I took him to reptile shows, and just got him used to the idea of keeping snakes... my one snake turned into 3, which turned into 4, then 5, then 6... and a few in between.... now he's the one more concerened about breeding them than myself! lol. We quiz eachother on BP morphs and how to get certain morphs and he grew more comfortable with snakes and my hobby.
With your wife, it may be more difficult to get her comfortable with your hobby.... but, if she's allowing you to keep your new snakes, then try breeding them with your original snakes, or whatever you choose, for a season... and see what they produce. If you don't like the results, rehome the snakes that didn't produce the results you liked. Who knows! That "normal" may have some Het-something in her!

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Oh, she's getting there, and getting there a lot faster than I was expecting, too. She'll hold them, and is actually starting to show some affection, but at the same time she's not comfortable with us having a lot of them... yet.

You've right, though. I need to slow down and just enjoy this. I have a definite tendency to rush towards what I want, but I need to just show down and take care of what I have right now. Honestly, it's probably for the best anyways. If I make some maybe husbandry error with my current collection it won't be nearly as costly.

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It's great that your wife is warming up to your snakes! That's a big accomplishment :)
I agree with taking it slow, it's better to enjoy things at a slower pace than to rush and miss out on serendipitous moments that could easily be missed by a knee-jerk reaction :)

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Originally Posted by ChaosAffect

Two words: My wife. Getting her to let me get one was hard enough. Two was a battle. The three that came together (my Albino female, my het Albino male, and this girl) was WWIII... I don't think I'll be able to work towards my goal and keep what I have, unfortunately. I'm probably going to have to let the spider female and pastel male I've got go too so I can get a couple more Albino females. I'm not looking to breed to make money. I just want to produce a few albino morphs that I can't afford to buy and maybe defray the costs of this hobby a bit. I agree that it's not fair to pass her around, but it's even less fair to have her in a situation where she doesn't get that much attention, and I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

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Is the female spider you have breeding size, or close to? I need more breeder size females in my program!

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Originally Posted by Snake Den

Is the female spider you have breeding size, or close to? I need more breeder size females in my program!

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She's still pretty tiny, 162g.