Black Pewter?

I got this girl in on a trade I did awhile back. I originally got her as a Pewter but she is so dark I keep thinking she might be a Black Pastel x Pastel.. what do you guys think?

http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/...ire/Image4.jpg

http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/...re/Image-1.jpg

A Black Pastel x Pastel is a pewter.

I wouldn't be able to discern between the two, good lookin snake though

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Originally Posted by Exotic Ectotherms

A Black Pastel x Pastel is a pewter.

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Black Pastel x Pastel = BLACK pewter

Cinnamon x Pastel = Pewter

Right ^

She does look more like a black pewter but you'd have to breed her to be sure. Is there anyway to find out who the breeder was or what the paring was?

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Originally Posted by Sanibelfire

Black Pastel x Pastel = BLACK pewter

Cinnamon x Pastel = Pewter

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I see your point....and I agree, but you will get some people who believe that Cinny and Black Pastel are the same morph. I was just unclear about your original question. My bad.... If it's any consolation, your snakes coloration looks a lot like my Black Pewter...and I know for a fact that mine is a Black Pewter.

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Originally Posted by Exotic Ectotherms

I see your point....and I agree, but you will get some people who believe that Cinny and Black Pastel are the same morph. I was just unclear about your original question. My bad.... If it's any consolation, your snakes coloration looks a lot like my Black Pewter...and I know for a fact that mine is a Black Pewter.

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I'd like to meet these "people" so that I could tell them to their face that they're idiots. I know that you know better because you've got a black pewter. I've not once heard anyone make that claim, myself.

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There is no way that cinny and BP are the same. Similar and lie on the same loci, but definitely not the same mutation.

OP: I may have to agree with you. It definitely has that black pewter look and squiggles in the alien heads that are inherited from black pastels. Cinnys don't typically have that trait. While my black pewter isn't as dark, the pattern is the same. But in the end, breeding with confirm it.

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I'm pretty convinced that that's a Black Pewt, looks just like mine and every other that I've ever seen. The only way I could really see a Pewter having that same kind of pixelated patterning is if it also had the Granite gene in it but that seems like it'd be a far off stretch.

Looks more Black Pewter to me as well.

Here is mine for comparison:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC02579.jpg

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

I'd like to meet these "people" so that I could tell them to their face that they're idiots. I know that you know better because you've got a black pewter. I've not once heard anyone make that claim, myself.

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Haha...well said sir. I can't remember the exact thread I read it in, but I do recall that it spurred a pretty heated debate. Anybody with a set of half decent eyes can tell that they are different morphs.

Totally different morphs. And yea thats a Black Pewter. Never seen a Pewter that looks like that one!

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There is only one way to know and it is by asking the person you originally traded, there is no gain on his/her part to mislead you into thinking that it is a Pewter if it is a Black Pewter and vice versa.

Sure you can ask people on the forum what they think but it will only be opinion no one will be able to tell for sure not until you actually breed this animal.

There are a few things affecting a Pewter the quality of the Pastel used is one of them, low quality pastels can and will produce a darker Pewters, the Cinny itself as well, there are dark Cinnies out there just like there are light Black Pastels.

Take a look at this, this is a Black Pewter, how do I know? I produced it and produced the dam that produced it before that.

A few years back my founder Black Pastel male sired 2.2 (same clutch), three of the hatchlings look like the Sire and one of the female look more like a cinny (very light colored Black Pastel which was used to produce this Black Pewter)

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...r/pewter03.jpg

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...r/pewter04.jpg

It certainly does look like a black pewter. I would not be surprised if it is. There are many breeders out there that can't tell the difference between cinnys and black pastels.... I don't know why, but their are, I bought our black pastel as a cinny and she's a pretty obvious black pastel.

Here's my "cinny"
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...850-3-1-11.png

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Originally Posted by Exotic Ectotherms

A Black Pastel x Pastel is a pewter.

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Exactly

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Originally Posted by stoaob3

Exactly

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No. A cinny x pastel is a pewter.
A black pastel x pastel is a black pewter.

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