Virgin females slugging out?

I was told by someone that virgin females tend to slug out... Is this true I have a lot of money in a new project coming up this next season and now I'm worried because I have a male that has never bred and three females that have never bred either!!! Is what I'm doing a bad idea or is breeding virgin females ok? Any info would be greatly appreciated. I am really worried and don't wanna put all my eggs in one basket haha!

You can't make a female not a virgin unless you breed her.

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Not true as far as I know. I've only had one virgin slug out on me. She was on the small side so I wasn't terribly surprised. I wouldn't worry if I were in your shoes.

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What do you consider on the small side? One female should be atleast 1500 grams, one should be around 12-1300, and the last one should be atleast 1200. Those are low estimates also...

You want your females to be about 500 grams per foot of snake before breeding. The more weight the better.

I haven't experienced any issues with virgin females. So far this season, I have a 6 egg clutch and a 5 egg clutch from first time females. No slugs or infertile eggs.

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You can't make a female not a virgin unless you breed her.

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Lol! I was gonna ask what the OP what they were gonna do if they did not breed this year because they were virgins but found out they were still virgins the next year.... Not trying to be a jerk but it was kinda funny...

To answer the question though if you are worried they would slug out because they are a little undersized/young then wait and you probably get some pretty nice clutches outta them. I have only heard of virgins slugging out on occasion but there could be a number of things that cause that not just that they are virgins.

Good gravy I hope not, I'm working with all virgins this year :P
I would just make sure they had good weight on them 1500g+ is my personal preference.

I know if I didn't breed them they would still be Virgins, but my whole point was if that was a problem, I was just gonna throw down the extra money and by proven breeders! My male is the prize of my collection so I want him to breed to nice females haha, but if him breeding to virgins is cool I'm gonna go for it!

I am gonna be nosy and ask what your breeding plans are? I am really curious.... :D

I can't share that until they breed haha. But when they do and if they lay pearly whites you will be happy to see them I promise haha!!!

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I can't share that until they breed haha. But when they do and if they lay pearly whites you will be happy to see them I promise haha!!!

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Understandable! I sure hope they do well for you cuz then you can share your secret! :gj: Lol!

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Something tells me this is related:

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I would say you are on to something MrLang! :)

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What do you consider on the small side? One female should be atleast 1500 grams, one should be around 12-1300, and the last one should be atleast 1200. Those are low estimates also...

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In my world 1,300 grams is the lowest I really like to go (as long as they aren't skinny). Everyone has different opinions, although most would say 1,500+ is ideal.

Don't ruin my surprise guys c'mon!!!!

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Don't ruin my surprise guys c'mon!!!!

From what i have read and heard the main reason for slugging out would be more on the male not injecting enough sperm to fertilize the eggs. I could be wrong but in the ton of research i have done that's usually the cause. This will be my first breeding season and i have a virgin male and female. Female being 4 yrs and 2000g male being 1.5 yrs and 900g. she is developing just fine and last count was 8 follicles over 20-25mm (estimated). I wish the best of luck for you when you do breed.

Give them a chance. We were all virgins once.

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From what i have read and heard the main reason for slugging out would be more on the male not injecting enough sperm to fertilize the eggs. I could be wrong but in the ton of research i have done that's usually the cause. This will be my first breeding season and i have a virgin male and female. Female being 4 yrs and 2000g male being 1.5 yrs and 900g. she is developing just fine and last count was 8 follicles over 20-25mm (estimated). I wish the best of luck for you when you do breed.

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an infertile egg and a slug are totally two different things.

I bred a 2500g Virgun this seaaon and she laid 8 perfect eggs.

And she's already pushing the 2000g mark again. It's only been about 3 weejs since she laid.

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From what i have read and heard the main reason for slugging out would be more on the male not injecting enough sperm to fertilize the eggs. I could be wrong but in the ton of research i have done that's usually the cause. This will be my first breeding season and i have a virgin male and female. Female being 4 yrs and 2000g male being 1.5 yrs and 900g. she is developing just fine and last count was 8 follicles over 20-25mm (estimated). I wish the best of luck for you when you do breed.

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Males have absolutely nothing to do with slugs, I wish that rumor would go away.
Females will have slugs far before they ever ovulate so that theory is plain wrong.

Females tend to throw slugs if they don't eat well before and during breeding season.
A male not producing enough sperm will cause her to drop infertile eggs.

Actually I've found time and time again that size does not matter as much as age. If they're three years old or more, I breed them.

I breed at 18 months old and have yet to have a virgin female that I raised give me any slugs.

My virgin female was 2200grams and laid 8 perfect eggs no slugs I would guess it would have to do with weight and age I would say a year old 1500 won't have as good a chance as a 2 or 3 year old 1500 gram female but that's just a guess

females will lay eggs when they are mature enough to do so. You can hasten growth with optimal feeding, but if your females are slow to grow three years should be safe even if they appear to be smaller then what it recommended.