Where to purchase a Banana or a Coral Glow?

Hi everyone,

I've been looking around and it seems very difficult to find a male one of these guys.

Any suggestions besides Kingsnake and Fauna?

Thanks!

Wait 1-3 months and you should have quite the selection of them.

it is the only morph known to be sex-linked.


producing a male banana or coral glow is much more difficult. males have the sex chromosomes WW and females have WZ. Coral glow sits on the W. females need the gene only once to be visible, basically they get one for free because the Z chromosome is completely different. males need the gene twice, once from each parent, to be visible banana / coral glow.

(in humans its opposite, with men having xy and women xx. in humans, for example green-red colorblindness is a recessive on the x-chromosome, so its common in men because men will be green-red blind if the one x-chromosome they have carries it. Only women can have normal vision and carry the gene around at the same time, and boys can be red-green blind with both parents having normal color vision. Girls will never be red-green blind if both parents have normal color vision.)

this has serious implications on breeding and the odds of clutches, but by now people have figured out how to produce males in quantities. Depending on the parents, you can get clutches that are 100% coral glow (male coral glow to female coral glow), clutches where all males look normal but all females are coral glow (male coral glow to female normal), and clutches where all offspring looks normal (normal male to female coral glow). And to complete the story, male het coral glows exist, female het coral glows do not exist.


its likely that every breeder working with banana or coral glow is also producing males by now. you can also start a project with females, and later produce your own visible males, by breeding back the normal-looking male offspring to visible females.

Thanks for the sex-linked information, it is extremely helpful.

I have heard that coral glows were sex-linked but I was not sure if banana is or not.

I was hoping to get a male that would be breeding age/size by this breeding season.

exoticsbynature.com has a good selection of coral glows awesome guy with some extremly nice snakes

Kurt, your post is pretty inaccurate.

Males from Males seem to produce mostly Males
Males from Females seem to produce mostly Females
Females produce typical sex ratios

There is no such thing as a "het coral glow" or "het banana"

This clutch is from a female coral glow bumble bee:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Glowclutch.jpg

This male was produced from a female banana woma:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...naWomaPinM.jpg

nice, we got het coral glows now :)

It is not understood exactly what is going on with CG/Banana as far a sex ratios, but it is NOT sex lined by the traditional definition of the term.

now im not 100% sure anymore.

of course on the internet you can find articles supporting both theories :) But to me, one of them seems more consistent than the others.


by the way, the two pictures are nice, but they dont disprove my post. If you breed normal-looking male offspring that has a male or female visible coral glow parent, you can hit these results by breeding to a CG female. such a male + coral glow female will result in: 25% male CG, 25% male het, 25% female CG, 25% normal female.

It would be evidence against my explanation, if there is documentation on the males involved proving that they cannot carry the CG gene because they have no CG in their anchestry. Without such data, or if the males come from other pairings involving CG, it doesnt conflict at all with my post.

i suspect some people just intuitively hold back nice males from CG pairings even if they dont visually show CG, and then get these quite normal and straightforward and nice results when breeding these to different CG females. Or they quite openly take the grandparents of the breeder male into account. And im quite sure that overall breedings involving banana/coral glow produce 50% males 50% females, "weird sex ratios" is referring to what you get visually. Clutches you dont need to sex because all females are visible CGs but none of the males will be seem to happen often enough. My proposed explanation, the one i believe in unless shown to be wrong, explains it all quite nicely, and makes it predictable, but constructs involving grandparents and intuition can also get you far enough. For example the guy running NERD regularly rejects explanations and comes up with his own explanations or just intuitively does the pairings and with that he is still cutting-edge, and they also work with CG/banana. They initially had trouble hitting male CG but by now figured it out, and initially charged higher for male CGs.

they sell a bunch of males right now: http://newenglandreptile.com/cart/32-coral-glows?

The male that I used for both those clutches was a spinnerblast that I purchased from a breeder that wasn't breeding bananas or coral glows at the time. I was going to say he didn't even own one but he may of had a hatchling female or two at the time.

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Originally Posted by bfirecat

I've been looking around and it seems very difficult to find a male one of these guys.

Any suggestions besides Kingsnake and Fauna?

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Nah, it's not that hard at all:

http://marcbaileyroyals.com/available.php

Hope you have $25k laying around. :snake:

LOUD NOISES!

Please, can we get another 12 paragraphs of explanation plus a jumble of words that doesn't make it any more helpful whatsoever.

Hold on let me jam my glasses to my eyeballs and tell you all about mommies and daddies and how it compares to a snake.