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We set the clutch record of 44 fertile eggs for Python breitensteini..:D.. Here we are in 2013, 16 years later and it still stands..:O At that time though all you could do was hop on the land line phone and call all those concerned.. Well VPI aka Dave & Tracy Barker have a long awaited book in the works and are calling for data on the 3 species.. Needless to say we're crossing our T's and dotting our i's.. This here is Bebe she is a 2005 and weighs in at 33 pounds and roughly 74 inches.. Sweet as a snake can be which should be depicted by our young keeper here..Bebe should come close to the 40 egg mark and of course we're hoping she steps over that by a few more..You may notice remnants of the ovulation in her tail end..
Eggs expected the end of April..
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Don't let her get away,LOL..
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Got cha..
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You stay right here until your cage is ready ;-)
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She's amazing. Good luck on getting that huge clutch!

wow! Fingers crossed for you!

Nice snake, very pretty. Good luck with her!

Wow huge blood i didn't know they got that big! Good luck with her

beautiful animal. love seeing kids enjoying snakes.

I have to ask....

Why should one of one's top goals be mass production? I would think that the top goal would be to focus in on things like specific desired traits and characteristics of the animals to improve/outproduce on prior stock. If anything, I personally wouldn't WANT an enormous clutch. As a result of large clutches, I often see sellers end up resorting to wholesale in efforts to be rid of excessive "product." I just don't understand what exactley such a high egg count in our species achieves? Now if our snakes were like Ball Pythons, with their clutch odds....I could maybe get the concept...but they are not.

No ill intent here, I'm just bringing up a genuine inquiry.

Krys

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Originally Posted by DNACurtusK

I have to ask....

Why should one of one's top goals be mass production? I would think that the top goal would be to focus in on things like specific desired traits and characteristics of the animals to improve/outproduce on prior stock. If anything, I personally wouldn't WANT an enormous clutch. As a result of large clutches, I often see sellers end up resorting to wholesale in efforts to be rid of excessive "product." I just don't understand what exactley such a high egg count in our species achieves? Now if our snakes were like Ball Pythons, with their clutch odds....I could maybe get the concept...but they are not.

No ill intent here, I'm just bringing up a genuine inquiry.

Krys

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Mass production ? Out of bedroom maybe if I was keeping spiders LOL.. Females are bred every OTHER year unlike others..Focus, you've looked at my webpage and know that word is there.. Traits and characters, you know my history GOT it covered :D, Improve / outproduce, ITS HAPPENING..:P, wouldn't want an enormous clutch, to my knowledge you've never produced a clutch..:O The vast majority of our MASSIVE bedroom produce finds happy homes with some living not too far from you..:) "Don't understand", Ya'll own and operate a blood and short tail forum and claim to thirst for knowledge ?? I produce knowledge each and every spring..:D But yet questions keep coming up, do you by chance have the answers I desire ?

NO ill intent Krys and Thank you for the laugh and mini's doing wonderful..

I should have figured I'd get a response of this 'quality' :D

I don't seek any knowledge from you my friend. I was simply inquiring why one of your top goals was to have such large clutches.

Oh, and just because you've not seen me plaster pics all over the net, doesn't nessecarily mean I've yet to produce a clutch ;-) *Which was irrelevent to my question anyhow*

Oh and yes, the forum is doing amazing :D Lots of enthusiastic and dedicated folks there.
Likely the most active Blood & Short Tail forum there is.

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Originally Posted by DNACurtusK

I should have figured I'd get a response of this 'quality' :D

I don't seek any knowledge from you my friend. I was simply inquiring why one of your top goals was to have such large clutches.

Oh, and just because you've not seen me plaster pics all over the net, doesn't nessecarily mean I've yet to produce a clutch ;-) *Which was irrelevent to my question anyhow*

Oh and yes, the forum is doing amazing :D Lots of enthusiastic and dedicated folks there.
Likely the most active Blood & Short Tail forum there is.

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So there was no disappointment..:gj
2 previous posts with sweet one of a kind snakes and a cute kid who will grow up with knowledge..:banana: You choose to pick on my program.. My clutch record was just broken by another individual with 45 eggs and 3 slugs from a curtus..FYI..There's those that ask questions and there's those who bring forth the answers.. Others maybe happy riding coat tails, I'd rather blaze my own path..:D Keep your eye open we have some really killer projects and animals expected..Ya'll's forum, FABULOUS, but it doesn't contain this brain matter as you well know..

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So there was no disappointment..:gj
2 previous posts with sweet one of a kind snakes and a cute kid who will grow up with knowledge..:banana: You choose to pick on my program.. My clutch record was just broken by another individual with 45 eggs and 3 slugs from a curtus..FYI..There's those that ask questions and there's those who bring forth the answers.. Others maybe happy riding coat tails, I'd rather blaze my own path..:D Keep your eye open we have some really killer projects and animals expected..Ya'll's forum, FABULOUS, but it doesn't contain this brain matter as you well know..

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If we're getting technical on who posts on whoms posts....I don't ever see you comment on mine....but who cares? :confusd:

I chose to ask a question based on the SPECIFIC topic of a thread you started about that specific topic. When you post on public forums, that's what happens. I don't know why you are responding to me so defensively like I backed you in a corner and now your hackles are up. It really was an genuine honest question. All I got back was a sarcastic reply. For someone who prides himself SO much in the species, you'd think you'd conduct yourself in a more professional manner. And if one was to be seeking knowledge of any kind, I certainly wouldn't ask someone who talks to people the way you adressed me for asking you a question. That's why I love my place so much. NO EGOS. We all share a passion for the same species. It's a shame that people apparently see it as a competition of sorts? I don't even know what your whole 'riding peoples coat tails' comment was about. If you mean that the majority of my awesome collection comes from the same person, who also happens to be my mentor, then....I guess that's what you consider riding coat tails? :confusd: I keep these snakes because I genuinely enjoy them. I see them each as a unique work of art. When I see others with beautiful animals, I don't hesitate to compliment. I could look at these guys all day long. I'm in no competition here. We're not creating the cure for cancer here, we are just keeping georgous animals, and selectively breeding for our own goals. And before you bring up how many clutches I may or may not have produced yet again, even though that is irrelevant, I would HOPE I've yet to produce many a clutch, because I have only been keeping this species for 3 1/2 yrs or so, so I likely would have had to power feed my animals to raise them up to breeding size, which I do not condone. I've been taking my time raising mine up. I'm in no hurry. As I mentioned before, this isn't a competition. I don't see anyone 'better' than anyone else. All in all, we are all just enthusiasts/keepers/breeders who are passionate about the same species. Egos aside for the most part. I have much to learn still about these animals, and I continue to do so, everyday, from people genuinely interested in educating/helping others by sharing their knowledge. Certainly not by those who are too busy feeding their own ego. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Tim Mead

We set the clutch record of 44 fertile eggs for Python breitensteini.... Here we are in 2013, 16 years later and it still stands.. At that time though all you could do was hop on the land line phone and call all those concerned.. Well VPI aka Dave & Tracy Barker have a long awaited book in the works and are calling for data on the 3 species.. Needless to say we're crossing our T's and dotting our i's.. This here is Bebe she is a 2005 and weighs in at 33 pounds and roughly 74 inches.. Sweet as a snake can be which should be depicted by our young keeper here..Bebe should come close to the 40 egg mark and of course we're hoping she steps over that by a few more..You may notice remnants of the ovulation in her tail end..
Eggs expected the end of April..

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As of yet there are no books on Bloods/Short-tails (at least not on Amazon) and I look forward to the book. I'm especially interested to see how much if it (if any) will be objective, and how much of it (if any) will just be marketing propaganda for VPI. How are you crossing T's and dotting I's? Have you considered a third party witness to the birthing? A Guinness World Record volunteer? A video recording? Anything less will leave you open to criticism from your enemies, competition, doubters, & skeptics. They can claim that you added eggs to the photograph. Playing devil's advocate here: How do we know those 44 fertile eggs 16 years ago came from one snake? That's what they'll say.

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Originally Posted by carlson

Wow huge blood i didn't know they got that big! Good luck with her

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The specimen in the photo is a breitensteini which do not even get as large as brongersmai. But breits deliver more eggs, albeit smaller eggs vs. brong eggs.

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Originally Posted by creepin

beautiful animal. love seeing kids enjoying snakes.

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Yes you have struck a cord with me. I love those photos because of the behavior, disposition, temperament, calmness, tameness, etc of the snake. I first saw those photos on another forum (bloodpythons. com / forums / showthread. php? 6140 - BeBe). The world needs more photos (and snakes) like that. The net is full of photos of supposedly "beautiful" snakes that can't be touched without a hook, much less left with a child. What's does that say? What does it say when both the snake and the human are safest & most comfortable looking at each other thru glass? It's to the point now where I don't even want to look at galleries anymore. YouTube can much more accurately depict the levels of dedication (or lack thereof) that a person has given to his/her snake(s).

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Originally Posted by DNACurtusK

I have to ask.... Why should one of one's top goals be mass production? I would think that the top goal would be to focus in on things like specific desired traits and characteristics of the animals to improve/outproduce on prior stock. If anything, I personally wouldn't WANT an enormous clutch. As a result of large clutches, I often see sellers end up resorting to wholesale in efforts to be rid of excessive "product." I just don't understand what exactley such a high egg count in our species achieves? Now if our snakes were like Ball Pythons, with their clutch odds....I could maybe get the concept...but they are not. No ill intent here, I'm just bringing up a genuine inquiry. Krys

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The specimen in the photos is NOT a good example of mass production. Mass production would NOT entail the investment of time, money, energy, effort, feeders, etc that are required to raise ONE SINGLE snake for 8 years to a weight of 33lbs.

Mass production (as those CBB suppliers for LLLreptiles, PetCo, PetsMart, etc can attest) would instead be using the same quantity of resources to raise, for example, two snakes for four years to a weight of ~17lbs each. The subsequent yield would then be far greater than 44 eggs. Multiple that by several dozen. Now THAT'S mass production.

Raising a single specimen to outperform others of its species, as it pertains to the propagation of DNA, is in fact an EXTREMELY desirable trait. For >100 million years of snake evolution (put this in perspective, Homo Sapiens as been around merely 7 million years, that's <7% vs snakes) this has indeed been one of the traits that natural selection has valued. Those specimens that produced less offspring than their competition were eventually culled out by the jungle.

It's only within the last few decades that humans have intervened and decided to allow mutant aberrations (e.g. albinos, glow-in-the-darks, piebalds, etc) to be cut from their eggs in the artificial incubators, and to survive, and to reproduce. The specimens that wouldn't make it a meter from the egg shell in the wild (hell many wouldn't even be able to pip the shell of their own egg), are now growing to adulthood and being selectively bred with others who would never have survived. Most entrepreneurs call these mutant abnormalities "morphs" (as this euphemism does not carry negative connotations), and compete against each other to see who can render the most unnatural (and albeit rarest) form (de-FORM-ity?) which will therefore fetch the highest price. Simple supply & demand. Google searches reveal a direct correlation between the price of a snake and how far we humans have corrupted the original true form of its colors/patterns.

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So there was no disappointment..:gj 2 previous posts with sweet one of a kind snakes and a cute kid who will grow up with knowledge.. You choose to pick on my program.. My clutch record was just broken by another individual with 45 eggs and 3 slugs from a curtus..FYI..There's those that ask questions and there's those who bring forth the answers.. Others maybe happy riding coat tails, I'd rather blaze my own path.. Keep your eye open we have some really killer projects and animals expected..Ya'll's forum, FABULOUS, but it doesn't contain this brain matter as you well know..

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"One of a kind snake" yeah that pretty much sums it up. You just can't appreciate that degree of docility in a Blood until you've been hissed at, bitten, musked on, and flailed at by dozens. Your critique of that forum is not entirely fair. I have been a member there for the last few months. The vast majority of the forum is a photo gallery of snakes, photographs of snakes with no human in sight, wherein members give each other praise re colors/patterns. Having said that however, I have done many hours of archival searches there. Sometimes you can find what you're looking for, and sometimes you're just better off with a google search. C'est la vie.

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