New Tiger Jag Coastal Python
SO just pick up this new girl yesterday :D Man She is a fiesty one. made an escape out of the deli cup i carried her him in and made a bee line for the floor. She than proceed to chase after my toes trying attack it:P, quite a change from the ball python i'm used too lol. I'm gonna get myself a snake hook. o So shes in a tub now but I will search for some branchs I can put in with her. She will only be in a tub until she outgrows it than she will be move to a more showy enclosure;) but man she is like a cornsnake size, I'm afraid to try feeding her anything but pinkies....
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She does however exhibit some degree of jag issue. When she tries to attack me she will corkscrew her entire head:( makes me sad to watch this.... I have a bumblebee that has a slight wobble when feeding but nothing to the degree of this girl. The breeder said he didn't notice any wobble but than again so did my bumblebee breeder (granted she only has a very very slight wobble). Is this something she that will stabilize as she grows or will it get worse and worse?
New Tiger Jag Coastal Python
Wow she is a looker.
You won't need a snake hook unless you just want one in general. She will settle down pretty quick over the next few weeks. My babies have been pretty nippy, I have used gloves.
Her Jag issue might be coming out more because she is stressed. I have read they can get better or worse over time but I'm not 100% sure of that.
Congrats on the new pick up.
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Let her settle in a bit.
I always go in slow and let them know I'm there. With gloves they might bite a few times but will settle down.
Working with her and she'll be a different snake in a few weeks.
Oh and they grow quick!
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I wouldn't divide the tub.
I have a couple that go a few days in the hide to a few days perching.
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Put a perch and a hide in it for the little girl. She would not hide at all, insist on perching herself on the highest point of the perch on the see through side of the tub....I can tell she will be great in a display cage already:P. my tub has a gradient of 25-31 degree celsius gradient but it seem like she likes to stay on the cold side. Should i divide the tub up so it isn't so big? on the other hand she does like to move around ALOT......
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Do you know if the Jag is pure coastal or if it might have some other carpet in it? If it's just coastal when younger they will climb a lot but as adults they tend to just stay on the ground. Not that it won't still be a great display snake. you just wont really need a tall tank with lost of branches in it. Jungles will use perches more through adulthood.
I've never had a wobbler but from the people I know that have them they've never gone away. A breeder telling you they never saw it wobble could easily be because breeders usually have such big collections they tend to have less time for each individual snake. Which is understandable. And with your snake so young they would have barely had it in their possession themselves to potentially notice it. Or he could have just been lying. :P. really they shouldn't start selling the snake until they know for sure though.
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van_garret2000
Do you know if the Jag is pure coastal or if it might have some other carpet in it? If it's just coastal when younger they will climb a lot but as adults they tend to just stay on the ground. Not that it won't still be a great display snake. you just wont really need a tall tank with lost of branches in it. Jungles will use perches more through adulthood.
I've never had a wobbler but from the people I know that have them they've never gone away. A breeder telling you they never saw it wobble could easily be because breeders usually have such big collections they tend to have less time for each individual snake. Which is understandable. And with your snake so young they would have barely had it in their possession themselves to potentially notice it. Or he could have just been lying. :P. really they shouldn't start selling the snake until they know for sure though.
From what the breeder is telling me, she is the product of a redphase coastal carpet X red phase tiger jaguar coastal. So She should be a pure coastal. She is a 2012 july baby, i'm not familiar with carpet growth rate but my ball pythons of similar age is already close to 800g....
I watch her a little last night and notice that she corkscrews when exploring, but i'm not sure if this is due to the the cage being too low and shes hitting the top, but i have also observer her wrapped around the branch with just her head upside down. The breeder claims that he never see this girl with any symptom but than again i guess he might not have seen it if all he did was clean and feed. I'm starting to really like her.... is this something i should really to concern about? I doubt the seller would take her back for this reason and I don't really want to sent her back either but it its gonna get worse than.......:(
On the flip side she seems to have calm down alot. No more striking although she still does the threat pose. I havn't actually try picking her up yet wanna wait till she at least eat once for me but man she is definately smarter than my balls i swear i could see her little brain spinning trying to figure me out:P
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The cork screw and head flipping doesn't sound good.
I would let her settle in still and see if it gets better. I don't know if it comes out more in times of stress.
The growth rate on my Coastal girl was nuts.
Feb 2012
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Yesterday 6'
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I have never "power fed" her. She eats once a week. A meal that leave a very little lump.
They seem more aware of what's going on compared to BPs for sure.
I hope she is just stressed a bit and will calm down in a few days.
Keep us updated.
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wow that is pretty good growth rate.... so would u guys say my girl is underfeed or maybe just a slow grower?
So let say after a few days I still see the corkscrewing and head flipping... what would you guys do if in my position? I have no plans to breed this girl and I want to focus of breeding ball pythons
I'm not sure of she was under fed.
I have a male Coastal that's not putting on size as quick as her.
When I get home ill look at my records and give you an idea of size they both have out on over the year.
I'm not sure what I would do in your position.
The breeder might just be hiding the fact that he already knew but I would let him know what's going on. Maybe send a video. Just in case he really doesn't know.
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Well it won't let me upload pics.
Male Coastal
DOB: 07-07-11
Obtained: 03-21-12
Weight 126g
Today
Weight 700+ grams
Female Coastal Jag
DOB: 2011
Obtained: 01-26-12
Weight 106g
Today pushing 2000g
My girl just might be a freak :)
I'm hoping she turns into a beast.
Hope that helps some.
If I can get photos to load ill post pics of my male.
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If it's a type of coastal crosses with a type of coastal then it should be a pure coastal so when it's full grown dony expect it to be very arboreal. Right now enjoy it but don't waste your money on a pod arboreal tank with lots o branches. It won't really use them at all. Might slither through them a little but won't perch on tem when an adult. A waste of space really becuse it will basically be a ground dweller when full grown.
As for the "spins" or "spiners" as I know some people call them, it can make their lives harder at times. So have a lot of trouble eatting becuse of them. I know a guy with a 4 year old that's the size if a 1 year old just because the spins has given it trouble eatting it's whole life. Some don't have a huge issue beside the fact it moved funny. I am not sure if the spins shortens their lives at all but it could be. It is kinda like a handicapped person. The can live full lives just different lives. The one big thing about them is they are sold a lot cheaper then ones without the spins. If you bough it for a normal jag pice then you got ripped off.
ok i did not realize this i though its like the spider syndrome in balls, they wobble but doesn't affect its health in any other way. I did not purchase it with a "jag issue" discount but he did give me the a different girl than i requested, one that is slightly more expensive and looks brighter than the one i originally had my eyes on.
what exactly is the problem when they eat? i just saw it took the fuzzy down today she didn't even had her mouth on it, try striking but did a little spin instead but manage to strangle it and when i came back the fuzzy is gone.
so the jag issue is on a different calibre than the spider wobble?
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It's a neurological issue. I'm sure there are a few cases out there where it effects them enough to have a health decline. Along the same as Spiders.
I'm still hoping it won't come out as much once she settles in.
I didn't know anything about the Jag issue until after I got my girl. So far she has never showed any signs of have a "wobble" or problem.
Another Jag issue. If you breed Jag x Jag all the supers or BELs will be still born or die soon after they hatch.
Good luck with her and keep us updated.
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Jags make some pretty carpets, not sure if the wobble is anything like a spiders wobble. But my spider has a decent wobble when she strikes so she loses pray if its too big, she eats ones a little smaller than the other girl her sized but I found if I gave her one bout 15 grams lighter than the other girls meal my spider doesn't lose ahold of it when wobbling. Idk if that helps you any, my carpet is a costal mutt with no jag issues so she hits like a freight train gone wild lol. Glad your able to handle now their fun to handle that's for sure I love bringing mine our
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My big girl head bunted me twice the other day. I'm thinking she was just hungry.
Thought she was going to get me for sure :o
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She might be hungry or she might just be acting out.
My little Jungle girl would hold on and grip so tight, my fingers would turn purple. Her grip in insane. Growing out of it some now.
My really big girl got my girlfriend the other day :o
Very grumpy still from laying eggs.
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Hmm. I'm not sure.
I don't feed live unless I have to.
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She is a great looking girl.
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She is very pretty! Sigh.... I came so close to picking up a nice IJ female today. Still kinda kicking myself in the rear for not doing it.
You may have already posted this, but if I may ask, where/from whom did you get her??
Sorry just saw you reply right now :P. I got my girl from Jay Clark at Creative Exotics Reptiles. He does has negative feedback on fauna which I found out after I get my girl but I have no problem with Jay and absolutely love my girl :)
Here's a little update on my little girl. She has grown a little (man carpets seems to grow really slowly lol) and i'm very happy to say that with my regular handling she has calm down ALOT. She kind of gave up on biting me and is alot less flighty. I have also seem less and less corkscrewing now, I think stress really brings the corkscrewing out and now that she has calm down she doesn't do it as much.
She is still my favorite to handle, She just seem to be much more smarter and have a higher sense of awareness compare to my ball pythons. Sometimes I could swear she seems to be actually thinking where as my ball python are sweet and all but they just seem... well dumb lol. Any ways here are so updated pics. I can't wait till she get some size on her!
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