Albino piebald!!

How would I go about making a albino piebald?

Albino het pied to Pied het albino.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Albino het pied to Pied het albino.

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is that the only way? And would a het pied het albino x het pied het albino have a chance of producing one?

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Originally Posted by derekt

is that the only way? And would a het pied het albino x het pied het albino have a chance of producing one?

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No. Yes, a smaller chance, but still a chance.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

No. Yes, a smaller chance, but still a chance.

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ok and if I want to work towards this what do you recommend getting first a 100% het pied pair or het pied het albino, there both the same price.

Pied het albino x Albino het pied--Highest chances ( I think)

Albino het pied x Albino het pied

Pied het albino x Pied het albino

Double het Albino/Pied x Double het Albino /Pied-- Lowest chances

albino pied to albino pied
albino het pied to albino het pied
pied het albino to pied het albino
het x2 pied albino x het x2 pied albino
Combo of any above mention i.e. albino pied to pied het albino and so forth.

and you can also try possible hets through a reputable breeder and take your chance on the project super cheap.

There are several ways of accomplishing this with various different results.

double het albino and pied X double het albino and pied would give you a 1/16 chance of producing an albino pied along with a number of snakes that were albino 66% possible het pied, pied 66% possible het albino and a lot of normal looking snakes that would be 66% possible het for either albino, pied, or both. With this method you would have the same chance producing a completely normal snake that was not het for either the albino or pied gene as you would have of producing the albino pied.

Albino het pied X albino het pied or pied het albino X pied het albino would you you a 1/4 chance of producing an albino pied with a 3/4 chance of producing either an albino 66% possible het pied or a pied 66% possible het albino depending on which pairing you used.

Albino het pied X Pied het albino would also give you a 1/4 chance of producing an albino pied, but you could also have the chance of producing both albinos and pieds in the same clutch and any of those would also be 100% het for the opposite. You would also have a 1/4 chance of producing a normal looking snake that was 100% double het for both albino and pied.

Ok and would you guys pick a het pied pair or het pied het pied all python to work toward this? Both are same price.

this little introduction is very good i think:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html

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derekt Ok and would you guys pick a het pied pair or het pied het pied all python to work toward this? Both are same price.

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strange, double hets should be more expensive, how exactly are the BPs you are looking at described?

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

this little introduction is very good i think:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html



strange, double hets should be more expensive, how exactly are the BPs you are looking at described?

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Double heats should be more than single hets, especially for albino AND pied. The last pied I saw that was het albino was $1,900 last year for a ~500 gram male. Be prepared to spend some money if you are trying to accomplish his task. Also I'd buy from a well know larger breeder rather than taking a chance a a cheaper animal that most likely isn't what it says it is

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

this little introduction is very good i think:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html



strange, double hets should be more expensive, how exactly are the BPs you are looking at described?

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The guys said for sale 2012 male het pied het albino $200

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Originally Posted by derekt

The guys said for sale 2012 male het pied het albino $200

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This is about right for a hatchling male, but you need to be careful that you can trust the breeder's word for the genetics. I think Deborah has one on her website: www.stewartreptiles.com and I trust her word completely.

Double het males are a dime a dozen....the females are what will burn a hole in your pocket, if you can find them for sale. And yes be sure you get paperwork from the breeder....any decent breeder should be able to provide you with genetics and photo id. I actually just passed on an adult pair of double hets because there was no paperwork provided. Just not wanting to waste a breeding and end up with possibly normals and not be able to provide paperwork for babies.

rich parinello from snakemans exotics has one and he turned down $25,000 for it and it took him almost 3 years to get it.

I am growing up 3 female double het albino pieds that I produced. then I'll be buying an albino het pied male to breed to the three of them, you can breed a male to several females, that will up the odds on hitting one.

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Originally Posted by steven80

rich parinello from snakemans exotics has one and he turned down $25,000 for it and it took him almost 3 years to get it.

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totally understandable, if you work on a double-recessive project, the first visual is worth gold. Without it, you cannot produce albino het pieds or pied het albinos, and you will produce 66% possible hets and 50% possible hets. If you dont have a visual double recessive, the easiest way is to breed albino het pied to pied het albino, but then, without a visible, the best you can breed is albino 66% het pied and pied 66% het albino.

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Originally Posted by steven80

rich parinello from snakemans exotics has one and he turned down $25,000 for it and it took him almost 3 years to get it.

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Only three years? That's actually not too bad depending on what you started with. Working from scratch and breeding an albino to a pied and raising all the double het babies to breed back to each other I think three years is about the quickest you could do it, but I think 5-6 years would be more typical.