Picture Update: Possible Clown Project (Pic Heavy)

Since it was so nice out today and all 3 of these little guys have shed recently, I just had to bust out the camera.

Sorry, this ended up being pretty pic heavy :please:


First is Zephyr - 1.0 Lemonblast het Clown ~300g

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Next, Artemis - 0.1 Pastel PH Clown ~450g

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And, Calisto - 0.1 Pastel PH Clown ~300g
I have come to really love this snake. It's not the cleanest or brightest pastel out there, but I love her pattern with her blushing and flames. She is definitely more yellow in person though.

Sorry for all the pics of her, I couldn't narrow it down any further :rolleyes:

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A couple groupshots:

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And I'll just throw this in here:

Sasha - 1.0 Wild Type ~600g Starting shed, but still looking good

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And my first snake ever:

Mary Jane - 0.1 Anerythristic Striped corn snake ~550g

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Thanks for watching, have a good one :gj:

Gorgeous! I really like that lemonblast. Good for you for getting into clowns! :D

Thanks for sharing!

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Originally Posted by Capray

Gorgeous! I really like that lemonblast. Good for you for getting into clowns! :D

Thanks for sharing!

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Thank you! And hopefully I really have "gotten in" to them, have a couple years to find out. Can't wait to try and prove out my two pastel ph clown girls. Though if I see the right 100% het female I may not be able to say no to another :gj: ....I've been really liking me some lesser lately....

good looking snakes.

but i personally would avoid relying on possible hets, also i dont like breeding het to het because it produces more possible hets.

so i would say its a very good start, also you have genes that work together with clown very well, like the recently produced pinstripe clown and lemon blast clown (pnstripe pastel clown). But i would seriously consider getting a visible clown, maybe not immediately, but for the second breeding season?

going from producing 25% visible clowns in your clutches (IF poss. hets prove out) and possible 66% hets, up to 50% visible clowns in your clutches and the rest will be 100% het clowns, thats a big step up for such a project. but then, maybe you hatch a visible clown or even a pair of visible clowns in your first season.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

good looking snakes.

but i personally would avoid relying on possible hets, also i dont like breeding het to het because it produces more possible hets.

so i would say its a very good start, also you have genes that work together with clown very well, like the recently produced pinstripe clown and lemon blast clown (pnstripe pastel clown). But i would seriously consider getting a visible clown, maybe not immediately, but for the second breeding season?

going from producing 25% visible clowns in your clutches (IF poss. hets prove out) and possible 66% hets, up to 50% visible clowns in your clutches and the rest will be 100% het clowns, thats a big step up for such a project. but then, maybe you hatch a visible clown or even a pair of visible clowns in your first season.

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Thanks for your input, Kurtilein, and yes I agree with your post. Working with these guys will be my first breeding season with balls, and these animals ended up being a very affordable possible "in" to clowns. Honestly I barely spent more on my lemonblast than most people pick up a non-het for. I really lucked out with that one, and trust it's source - Casey Lazik. I have my fingers crossed that I do produce a visual clown or two to holdback. This also could save me a lot of money even though I'd be able to get into some awesome projects. (Not in this to make money btw, I just love clown :)). Regardless I will definitely buy some visuals down the road to branch out and add to the gene-pool.

Lovely group.
They look great.

Personally, I think your first pastel pH will definitely prove out. She has that 'look' and traits common in clown hets.

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I don't agree with the not doing het X het, clown hets are fairly easy to pick out, I bet when you produce them you'll have no problems pulling out the real hets from the non hets.

If I saw nice markers on those pastels I'd be all over it :gj:
Not everyone can or has the ability to buy homozygous animals.

That Lemonblast het male is smokin, I love what the clown gene did to it ...

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I don't agree with the not doing het X het, clown hets are fairly easy to pick out, I bet when you produce them you'll have no problems pulling out the real hets from the non hets.

If I saw nice markers on those pastels I'd be all over it :gj:
Not everyone can or has the ability to buy homozygous animals.

That Lemonblast het male is smokin, I love what the clown gene did to it ...

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I agree with Jerry.

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Awesome pics thanks for sharing :) love the outside pics :)

Dont get me wrong, i only have economic / practical / statistical reasons to avoid possible het to het or possible het to possible het.

if you breed snakes, you sell snakes, and i would be uncomfortable charging anything extra for possible hets. its ok to charge extra for a 100% het something, but if its 66% het i would be reluctant to assign any monetary value to that, or only a little bit. and if something is 50% possible het for something, i would give that away for free, as a bonus to whatever else the snake has going on.

and a statistical reason: unproven 50% het clown to unproven 50% het clown cuts your chances of hitting a visible clown to 1 in 16, 6.25%.
66% to 66% unproven hets, chances are around 11%. less than half of the 25% chance of proven het to proven het.

of course chances go up as soon as you prove out possible hets or a pair of possible hets.

there is no reason not to do it when it comes to the health or beauty of the animals. None at all. Genetically its totally fine. But i would still avoid it. if i get lets say 8 eggs and no visible clown, id be calculating and worrying for a year, or id just go get a visible clown, or more proven 100% hets.... just not a situation id be aiming for when i care for a project.

I agree that Het x Het is not a bad situation. Not everybody can spot a Poss Het from a likely Het or a 100% Het.

I have spent countless hours looking at my 5 Het Clowns vs my 3 visual Clowns and can spot what shows through in my 100% Hets. Some body patterns are very easy to see, but personally I see a little Clown in each of their head patterns vs some of the same basic morphs of the same gene I have. My 1.0 Butter 100% Het Clown is far more striking than even my1.0 FireButter. My 0.1 Fire 100% Het Clown twins are just out of the park Het Clowns IMHO.

We are looking at Nuclear and FireFly Clowns next season :D

Very nice! They all look great!

Good luck with the pos hets! They're looking good.

Sorry for the major delay in response! I'm on vacation in Carlsbad and the good times and weather have had me so distracted! Headed to the San Diego Zoo tomorrow! :D

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Lovely group.
They look great.

Personally, I think your first pastel pH will definitely prove out. She has that 'look' and traits common in clown hets.

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Really?! Well thank you for your reply. If there is any way you could describe these traits to me I would be beyond appreciative! I'm very interested in being able to pick out these looks myself as I'm hoping to be working with many clowns and het clowns in the future. I was told something similar when I first got her, but was under the impression there weren't even somewhat reliable markers at the time so I dismissed it.

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I don't agree with the not doing het X het, clown hets are fairly easy to pick out, I bet when you produce them you'll have no problems pulling out the real hets from the non hets.

If I saw nice markers on those pastels I'd be all over it :gj:
Not everyone can or has the ability to buy homozygous animals.

That Lemonblast het male is smokin, I love what the clown gene did to it ...

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Sorry about all the questions, but I am relatively new to this. But again, if you could direct me in any way as to what markers you commonly see in pastel het clowns I would be very happy :) Also, what exactly do you see going on in my lemonblast that you feel is attributed to clown? I don't exactly have the keenest eye for these things just yet. Thank you for your post!

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Originally Posted by Burzurk

Awesome pics thanks for sharing :) love the outside pics :)

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Haha, thank you. I find that natural lighting can often be the best!

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

Very nice! They all look great!

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Originally Posted by collrak

Good luck with the pos hets! They're looking good.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate it!

Lovely snakes! Especially the lemonblast het clown!

Thanks, I really love him :)