Is it too late to breed low end morphs 3 years from now?

Hi guys, I'm planning on going to a reptile expo in 4 months saving some money up for it but is it still worth buying low ebd morph females like pastels albinos pieds pinstripes butters lessers and may e some yellow bellys? Would it be to late to breed them the time info breed them will the snakes be worth nothing? I'm just curios cause I would like to make my money back on this investment. I'm not planing to make a full out business out of this but I would like to make my money back juts on the snakes not including racks food and what now just the snakes and I would like to invest that profit back into some high end morphs.... I'm just wondering 3 years from now will people still be looking for pieds albinos spider albinos and ivorys or will most of the stuff I plan to produce be dead? I'm going to breed pieds no matter what as I would love to hatch out my very own high white pied... But the main question I'm asking is will it be to late the time they are breeding size?

Buy what appeals to you. There will always be a market for the
so called low end morphs, mainly because they play well with others, gene wise. :D
You MIGHT be able to get your money back, but don't count on it. Do it because you
love it/them, the bps, and you can't lose. Otherwise, don't bother, because it can be a lot of work
and if you don't love the journey, everyone loses. :(

I'm sure there will still be a market.
In terms of making your investment back... I wouldn't count on it. You might, but there are a lot of things that can go wrong. It might be easier if you think of the money you spent on them as gone, and whatever you make from the hatchlings can be an added bonus of keeping them. That's my outlook at least.

The short answer is yes.

You need to ensure they are the best possible examples though. So start with solid parents.

People still breed corn snakes and sell morphs for 20-60 dollars. Do it for the passion of the hobby, not for cash. If you get into this for cash, you'll meet the fate of quite a few hobby breeders. Somewhere a year or 2 down the line you'll have spent a few grand on snakes, get tired of dealing with rats and poop and water bowls and the cost of bedding and food, and try to get your money back on craiglist, where you'll wind up selling your collection for less than half what you paid for it.

Some morphs are 'bottoming out' in price - as in you will never see a pastel (most basic morph) selling for less than a pet shop has fixed their price for a normal bp, which is about 75 dollars. 75 dollars will always make your cost back on 'producing' the animal. Will it make your money back on the purchase of the parents?

If you sell enough...

There will always be a market for the the single gene morphs in my opinion. There are many out there who just can't afford to throw a couple thousand down on any one multi-gene BP. I agree with the other replies though, you will most likely not make a profit on them and have to look at caring for multiple hatchlings until you find homes for them. I am still caring for 6 2012 hatchlings while I wait for potential buyers. I look at any money I do receive for them as going towards paying for their upkeep (bedding, rat block, paper towels, etc). Most breeders will tell you that the amount of time you put into your collection far outweighs any money you receive from selling hatchlings as far as profitability.

Im not trying to be mean, rude, or anything like that, just real...dont invest if you're doing it for the money. Cuz chances are, you wont get your money back. Theres a million possible things that could happen that will COST you more money.. unexpected vet bills, unexpected fasts, etc,. Invest for the love of the hobby and the experience ;)

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Originally Posted by Skilla6000

Hi guys, I'm planning on going to a reptile expo in 4 months saving some money up for it but is it still worth buying low ebd morph females like pastels albinos pieds pinstripes butters lessers and may e some yellow bellys?

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these genes have come down in price, but will never be low-end. pastel, albino, pinstripe and pied are awesome and popular and powerful genes. albino pied is still very expensive.

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Originally Posted by qegalpal

Buy what appeals to you. There will always be a market for the
so called low end morphs, mainly because they play well with others, gene wise. :D
You MIGHT be able to get your money back, but don't count on it. Do it because you
love it/them, the bps, and you can't lose. Otherwise, don't bother, because it can be a lot of work
and if you don't love the journey, everyone loses. :(

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Thanks guys... I was just curios on some input from you guys, as what I mean from profit I don't mean profit as in I'm going to buy a new house and a car, as profit goes I would like to invest that extra money I make from hatchlings back Into some high end males for future breeding. I love my snakes so much and have done a lot of research and would love to be able to say I produced some of these. Being able to see a little baby's head pip would be the greatest feeling in the world... Thanks Guys.

There will always be a market for quality examples of low end morphs. For instance, I already have people who want babies from this pastel girl I recently picked up:

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps4e501f79.jpg

Make sure you always buy the best quality morphs you can find, and there will be a market for their babies. End of story, regardless of whether it's a low or high end morph.

I just started collecting ball pythons last summer and from what I've read and also from my experience it's generally easier to find awesome examples of base morphs than it is multi gene animals. Obviously the breeders keep the best animals for themselves and the best examples are scooped up quickly by friends, other breeders ect, leaving whats left to the general community. Not to mention females are always more desired and breeders are constantly replacing their single gene girls with doubles, triples... I've really noticed great looking females are a lot harder to come by than males. From browsing websites and attending an expo I can tell you I've seen a lot of better looking base morph ball pythons for sale than I have of say triple or even quad gene animals. If the breeder is only hitting a handful of those morphs you can bet the best ones are kept and only the lower quality examples make it to sale.

At first I'll admit I was constantly looking for the best deals on morphs and I was less fixated on quality, but after one purchase and a lot of reading and scrolling through pictures I decided I needed to re evaluate my plans. Since then I've replaced a base morph male with a proven breeder of the same morph that is a prime example. I've also picked up A few great looking single gene females and I am still looking for a few more. my advice is keep your eyes open near hatching season and wait around for hold back snakes to come on sale. Wait for a snake that blows you away when you see it not when you see the price. Then once you start breeding hopefully your babies will reflect their parents and produce amazing combos of which the best you can hold onto. It's a lot better to make your own animals and get first pick then to scrounge through the leftovers.

As a number of people have already mentioned doing it for the money is going about this the wrong way, your not going to be making money in your first year and if you are making any by your 3 year I would be surprised. Look at it as something fun and interesting and a chance to work with awesome animals and possibly pay for itself or generate a small revenue eventually.

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Originally Posted by d.gilly

I just started collecting ball pythons last summer and from what I've read and also from my experience it's generally easier to find awesome examples of base morphs than it is multi gene animals. Obviously the breeders keep the best animals for themselves and the best examples are scooped up quickly by friends, other breeders ect, leaving whats left to the general community. Not to mention females are always more desired and breeders are constantly replacing their single gene girls with doubles, triples... I've really noticed great looking females are a lot harder to come by than males. From browsing websites and attending an expo I can tell you I've seen a lot of better looking base morph ball pythons for sale than I have of say triple or even quad gene animals. If the breeder is only hitting a handful of those morphs you can bet the best ones are kept and only the lower quality examples make it to sale.

At first I'll admit I was constantly looking for the best deals on morphs and I was less fixated on quality, but after one purchase and a lot of reading and scrolling through pictures I decided I needed to re evaluate my plans. Since then I've replaced a base morph male with a proven breeder of the same morph that is a prime example. I've also picked up A few great looking single gene females and I am still looking for a few more. my advice is keep your eyes open near hatching season and wait around for hold back snakes to come on sale. Wait for a snake that blows you away when you see it not when you see the price. Then once you start breeding hopefully your babies will reflect their parents and produce amazing combos of which the best you can hold onto. It's a lot better to make your own animals and get first pick then to scrounge through the leftovers.

As a number of people have already mentioned doing it for the money is going about this the wrong way, your not going to be making money in your first year and if you are making any by your 3 year I would be surprised. Look at it as something fun and interesting and a chance to work with awesome animals and possibly pay for itself or generate a small revenue eventually.

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Thanks that was a really in depth few paragraphs to think abou thanks and I will go for quality morphs thanks everyone who has chimed in thanks.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

There will always be a market for quality examples of low end morphs. For instance, I already have people who want babies from this pastel girl I recently picked up:

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps4e501f79.jpg

Make sure you always buy the best quality morphs you can find, and there will be a market for their babies. End of story, regardless of whether it's a low or high end morph.

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No doubt she is outstanding it does not even look like a pastel she is amazing nice pickup

wow that is an amazing looking pastel. I love how dark the black is on her

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Originally Posted by liv

It might be easier if you think of the money you spent on them as gone, and whatever you make from the hatchlings can be an added bonus of keeping them. That's my outlook at least.

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That is exactly how I see it. I'm having plenty of fun taking pictures, feeding, and learning about my snakes :D. Well worth it so far :D.

I'm gonna want a pastel, spider, mojo etc in several years definitley. People new to snakes will still want a cheaper morph, and experienced breeders still may need a base morph for a project.