How to make black pewter clown?

how would i make this? would getting a normal clown be a good start? also interested in killer clown/firefly clown projects

Black pastel het clown to pastel het clown is the best way.

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

Black pastel het clown to pastel het clown is the best way.

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thats for black pewter clown? so if i get a normal clown wat could i make out of that? or would i have to wait til 2nd gen to see somethin good

I would take some time to learn how recessive genes work before spending any money on a recessive project.

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

thats for black pewter clown? so if i get a normal clown wat could i make out of that? or would i have to wait til 2nd gen to see somethin good

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A clown to black pewter het clown.

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

thats for black pewter clown? so if i get a normal clown wat could i make out of that? or would i have to wait til 2nd gen to see somethin good

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If you got a normal clown, say a male, you can to breed it to black pastel and pastel females to get 100% het babies. Then you could breed the babies together to get your black pewter clown. It would take quite a few years if you get the girls as babies (2-3 years until they can breed) and then another 2-3 years until the female baby can breed.

its a 5-year-project, at least, since it will take 2 generations, at least.

clown to pewter het clown, or pastel clown to black pastel clown, or black pastel het clown to pastel het clown are basically the only ways to make it in one generation, with varying odds depending how many genes you start with when trying to hit it.

if you want to make more than one, effectively, work towards getting pastel clowns, super pastel clowns, and black pastel clowns. then you can have nice odds, up to 50% for the desired black pewter clown.

breeding clown to pastel and black pastel and then breeding pastel het clown to black pastel het clown is how you would obviously start if you only have single-gene versions. but 75% of the stuff you get will be possible het clowns, and you only have a 6.25% chance of hitting black pewter clown right away.

a double-recessive like axanthic clown is about as difficult to reach, maybe a bit harder because you have more genes that are invisible in the het form.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

its a 5-year-project, at least, since it will take 2 generations, at least.

clown to pewter het clown, or pastel clown to black pastel clown, or black pastel het clown to pastel het clown are basically the only ways to make it in one generation, with varying odds depending how many genes you start with when trying to hit it.

if you want to make more than one, effectively, work towards getting pastel clowns, super pastel clowns, and black pastel clowns. then you can have nice odds, up to 50% for the desired black pewter clown.

breeding clown to pastel and black pastel and then breeding pastel het clown to black pastel het clown is how you would obviously start if you only have single-gene versions. but 75% of the stuff you get will be possible het clowns, and you only have a 6.25% chance of hitting black pewter clown right away.

a double-recessive like axanthic clown is about as difficult to reach, maybe a bit harder because you have more genes that are invisible in the het form.

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do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

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You know of WOBPs website. Go on there and it will tell you your "chances" of hitting the combo you want.

There will be no double hets in your clutch since you are only dealing with ONE recessive trait. As been said, do a little homework on the recessive traits before investing in them. They can be hard to understand at first.

To answer your question, which i belive is basically, Whats the fastest way to get a Black Pewter Clown?
I would go Pastel Clown x Black Pastel Clown. Pastel clowns are fairly common, Black Pastel Clowns may be a little trickier to track down right away, especially an above hatchling female


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It's not exactly a 5 yr project if you have the right animals and get lucky. I've done something similar in 2 years.

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

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sometimes i use morph calculators, but mainly to confirm what i calculate on my own.

clown to black pewter het clown would give 12,5% of the desired black pewter clown. also 12,5% for pastel clown and 12,5% for black pastel clown. thats quite good, also because the stuff that you produce and that doesnt look like a clown will be 100% het clown.

and yes it depends a lot on what animals you can find. if you get a black pastel het clown and a super pastel clown, for example, you can do it in one generation because the odds go up to 25% for black pewter clown. then it can really be a 2-year thing.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

sometimes i use morph calculators, but mainly to confirm what i calculate on my own.

clown to black pewter het clown would give 12,5% of the desired black pewter clown. also 12,5% for pastel clown and 12,5% for black pastel clown. thats quite good, also because the stuff that you produce and that doesnt look like a clown will be 100% het clown.

and yes it depends a lot on what animals you can find. if you get a black pastel het clown and a super pastel clown, for example, you can do it in one generation because the odds go up to 25% for black pewter clown. then it can really be a 2-year thing.

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how would i go about producing a axanthic clown, or pinstripe clown? my budget is 1500 right now

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

how would i go about producing a axanthic clown, or pinstripe clown? my budget is 1500 right now

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axanthic clown is a double recessive, this nice article from NERD describes how to breed double recessives and how to figure out the odds: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html in the article the example is caramel ghost, but its really the same.


pinstripe clown is easy, its just like making a pastel clown or black pastel clown, which is already covered in the thread. much easier than making black pewter clown.

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Originally Posted by tomjones456

do u get this info off worldofbps? and wat are the chances i get a black pewter clown with clown x black pewter het clown combo?
i was thinkin breed a clown to a black pewter, then breed the offsprings which would be double het right? or would that be the long route?

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Clown*BP would be a good start. If you were lucky enough to get a pewter het out of it (1 in 16 chance of pewter het or 1 in 32 for a female, I think, but I am sure that some one will correct) then you could possible do it in the 2nd generation (again if lucky) and that would be 1 in 32 for a pewter clown. On the other hand with those odds it could take years if unlucky due to maybe just getting 4-6 eggs per year. You would get some really nice snakes along the way though and producing either a BP or pastel clown (preferably both of different sexes) in the 2nd generation would speed up the process or at least make it more certain.

Stats isn't my strongest point, which is maybe a good idea due to the number of recessive projects that I am getting into but, hey, a bit of optimism goes a long way and recessives really are so much more fun :O)

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

axanthic clown is a double recessive, this nice article from NERD describes how to breed double recessives and how to figure out the odds: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html in the article the example is caramel ghost, but its really the same.


pinstripe clown is easy, its just like making a pastel clown or black pastel clown, which is already covered in the thread. much easier than making black pewter clown.

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im interested in a pinstripe clown project now lol. is axanthic clown harder to make than a black pewter clown?
and also ive searched everywhere and cant seem to find wat a black pastel clown looks like

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

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Originally Posted by yardy

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

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so clown x axanthic = het clown , then breed them back together? or is there more haha

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Originally Posted by yardy

Yes axanthic clown is more difficult as you are dealing with 2 separate recessive genes, so both parents must have at least 1 copy of each (i.e. be double hets at least) visual for one, het for the other and vice versa would be better. For a black pastel clown only 1 parent needs to carry the BP gene, although both need to carry clown.

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only 1/16 odds! thats way too slim for my likings lol. how would i increase my odds for axanthic clown?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I would take some time to learn how recessive genes work before spending any money on a recessive project.

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Where can you read up on all the specifics? Are there books or websites that explain everything in detail? I can never seem to find anything. Just people that already know what they're talking about discussing various things.

i learned the basics at school, basic genetics with recessive and dominant genes is essential for understanding evolutionary biology. we had to do these punnett squares in exams.

Its a bit unfortunate when a nation that i dont want to name right now with over 300 million people fights and cuts back on teaching evolution, of course you have to leave out all genetics if you want students and pupils to reject evolutionary theory.


search youtube for "reptile genetics", or search google for "genetics introduction" or "punnett square", or search Wikipedia, or go to a library or bookstore and ask for textbooks about genetics, or search the sticky threads on this forum.

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so clown x axanthic = het clown , then breed them back together? or is there more haha

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Theres more...

Its a pretty long process and along the way you will end up with ALOT of Hets, Poss Hets. What would you do with all those?


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When you have a Visual Recessive animal, lets say a Clown male... Any eggs you produce that he "sire's" will be 100% het for Clown at least. The only way to make Clowns with him is for the Dame to also carry the Clown trait, either visually or be 100% Het for Clown. If your female is say 66% or 50% Possible Het for Clown and they dont produce any visual or Homozygous, Clowns the first year than all the babies will be Possible Heterozygous until provin out or more years of breeding prove the original mother NOT to be a Het.

So ANY Homozygous version of a Recessive trait guarantees the offspring to carry the gene.... So if you take. Male Clown and breed it to a Female Axanthic ALL your babies will be Double Het for Clown AND Axanthic, 100% for both! So you would then keep 1 or 2 males and ALL of your females from the clutch, and breed them back to eachother 3 years later. Now, say you get 3 females, grow them up and breed them back to their brothers, you get 2 of them to go for you on the first year. ANY baby that isn't a Homozygous or Visual examples of the Axanthic Clown combo then become Poss Hets again.
Your Clowns will be 50% poss Het Ax
Your Ax's will be 50% poss Het for Clown
And all your Normals will be Poss het Clown, Poss het Ax, or Poss Double Het, with NO way to know by the look.

Thats the easiest way i can think of to put it. Again keep doing your homework until you understand Recessive Traits 100%! Go onto Forums like this one and search througb old threads, Lots of ppl have asked the same question ALL over the internet. Lots and lots and LOTS of reading is a good place to start. Its not something your going to understand right away anyways. Bug i hope this helped...

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