albino/sunglow question *DUW*

ok I feel like an idiot! but i'm gonna ask anyway. how do you tell the difference between the two. I purchased a baby as an albino yesterday. the owner just said it was albino. I didn't get any real info as it was a CL ad and they were really annoying to deal with but for the price I scooped it up. well when I went to check its tub today I saw that it had shed. Now I thought no pattern in the shed meant the presence of the hypo gene. I know that to be true with most other species but is it different in boas? my hypo arabesque sheds are clear. I know it could be difficult to see a pattern in an albino but wouldn't the tail pattern be pretty well visible? The shed is completely clear, no tail pattern in it at all. It would be sweet to have picked up a sunglow at a rock bottom albino price but i'm probably not that lucky. either way i'm happy with my new pick up. I love his color around his tail pattern! heres a couple quick cell pics. maybe someone will be able to tell me something. thanks folks

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1dd0a531.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...psba274ddb.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3d16e865.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...psba481344.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3d4204fd.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...psaa5ee5b4.jpg

*edit* no flash on any of the pics natural light through the window.

If that is a normal albino, it is radiant.......

Sunglows will have a much more bright, orange pattern. The pattern will be more distinct too. As an adult, the colors will stay more vivid - base color will yellow out some, but the pattern will still stand out orange. The adult albino will often loose a lot of the pattern as they age. They will be more overall yellow. The babies can have distinct patterns, but the pattern is more pink than orange and somewhat less vivid.

I don't know for sure if your baby is a sunglow or not. It is a pretty spectacular albino though!! :gj:

Thank you! Heck of a CL find imo. Talked them down to $150 on it. What about the clear shed/hypo thing can Yw clear that up for me?

Its a regular albino IMO, I'm not seeing any sunglow in that snake. Nice baby!

Compared to other Sunglow's I've seen, she looks a bit too faded to be one. But not by much! What a beauty. :gj:

Could be a sunglow, has lots of color. Either way its a nice looking snake:gj:

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Its a regular albino IMO, I'm not seeing any sunglow in that snake. Nice baby!

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Thank you. Either way im happy but can you elaborate. I'd like to know exactly how to tell the difference. The clear shed has me confused. Unless its just so faint I can't see it.

Good looking boy, my male sharp albino shed a few days after I got him and his shed was clear, I don't remember seeing any pattern at all but I didn't look for a pattern just the length of it and eye caps.

He looks very orange, do you know if he's Kahl or Sharp?

From just looking at ads i think sunglows tend to be brighter all around and clean in between saddles, not sure if this is a "rule" more of what I've noticed though.

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Thank you. Either way im happy but can you elaborate. I'd like to know exactly how to tell the difference. The clear shed has me confused. Unless its just so faint I can't see it.

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My Sharp line albino female sheds totally clear, there's no pattern or otherwise on her shed.

But my reasoning for saying she's a regular albino is that though she has nice color, it's not as "sharp" and crisp as sunglows. Her saddles are blurred out like many albinos, and the contrast between that and her body isn't there. Plus many sunglows will have bow-tie shaped saddles like hypos.

Look at how clean and crisp this sunglow is: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/sunglow.jpg (not my image)
Here's a sunglow who doesn't have much contrast or saddle color as the one above but you can still see how different it is when compared to other albinos (ie the coloring): http://www.exoticserpents.com/Availa...unglow%29.html (not my image)

Here's my albino when she was younger (looks to be around the same size as your girl):

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...DiOrabody1.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...1DiOraface.jpg

She was super clean and crisp pattern-wise like sunglows, but I knew she was no sunglow. She just doesn't look like a sunglow, and I don't believe yours is either. Nothing wrong with that!

I am leaning towards albino

This is my feb 2011 female lipstick sunglow.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/06/jybugusu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/06/8use2aje.jpg
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I am leaning towards albino

This is my feb 2011 female lipstick sunglow.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/06/jybugusu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/06/8use2aje.jpg
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Thank you all for the replies. I also have a sunglow. Purchased as a sunglow from a trusted breeder. Im asking how to tell the difference between the two. Ill take ya'lls word that you think its an albino. But no one has explained how to tell them apart or why there's no pattern on his shed. As adults its a lot easier to see the differences. As evenstar pointed out. Albinos yellow upand sunglows keep more of there color. But how do you tell between the babies?

My Peaches is a hypo (no albino gene in her at all) and you can see a pattern in her shed. So I don't believe a clear shed is necessarily indicative of the hypo gene. However, my girl is NOT albino so hypo combined with the albino gene may produce clear sheds.

As babies, you can tell the difference between a sunglow and an albino by the clarity/crispness of the pattern and by the intensity of the overall color of the snake.

Albino = white background with pinkish saddles that have a slightly "washed out" appearance. The color of the saddles may vary in intensity a little, but they will almost always still looked washed out a bit and the edges may be blurred. The saddles will also have a more ) ( ) ( ) ( appearance traditional of a normal Colombian's pattern.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps489a5756.jpg

Sunglow = Peach-ish background with deep orange saddles that have a more solid pigmentation. The saddle colors will be deep and the edges crisp and distinct. The saddles will be much thiner and have a hypo's typical X X X butterfly shape.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5b09b036.jpg

Sometimes the only way to tell the difference is to place a sunglow next to an albino and compare. And both the snakes shown above are Kahl strain just to keep the comparison consistant. :gj:



Note: the above pics are not my images but were used with permission. Thanks! ;)

Thank you again! Idk why but I couldn't find that answer on the internet. Think I've burnt myself out on Google for awhile. Lol anywho that was exactly what I was looking for. When theres a litter with both albinos and sunglows in them I can sort them out but for whatever reason the clear shed had me guessing and it was driving me nuts.

Damon, That is an Albino. You can tell an Albino from a Sunglow from the pattern particularly in the tail. I have an old pic saved somewhere that illustrates the differences well, but I am not sure where I saved it. I could show you in person, especially if you have both to compare against each other.

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Good looking boy, my male sharp albino shed a few days after I got him and his shed was clear, I don't remember seeing any pattern at all but I didn't look for a pattern just the length of it and eye caps.

He looks very orange, do you know if he's Kahl or Sharp?

From just looking at ads i think sunglows tend to be brighter all around and clean in between saddles, not sure if this is a "rule" more of what I've noticed though.

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It is a kahl albino (at least that's what it was sold as). i'm not working with any sharps yet. Thanks for the tip!

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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

Damon, That is an Albino. You can tell an Albino from a Sunglow from the pattern particularly in the tail. I have an old pic saved somewhere that illustrates the differences well, but I am not sure where I saved it. I could show you in person, especially if you have both to compare against each other.

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I do have both to compare side by side however I wasn't even thinking about that at the time. that and my sunglow is almost four feet and this one is just a wee worm. Thanks and if you could shoot that pic to me. knowledge is power and I need all I can get. lol

you cant always tell, especially nowadays with albinos getting nicer and nicer. With good selective breeding you can make albinos that will have you scratching your head. The shed thing, I see pattern in all my sheds with hypo, albino, sunglow, normal. I think if you cant tell just by glance and if your back and forth with it, its time to look at genetics, did either parent carry the hypo gene?? if you don't know the genetics, the boa grows and you still cant decide then breed to prove it! Im thinking if the seller breed it, or bought it from a breeder and that animal was a sunglow they wouldn't of sold it for $150 why skip out on sunglow money??