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  • 03-04-2013, 11:32 PM
    Southern_Breeder
    Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Okay so for my last pairings...
    My "high end" pairings...

    Im thinkin...
    Male champagne to 3 females.
    1) Kingpin
    2) Bumblebee
    3) Haven't quit figured that one out yet.

    So questions being...
    What do y'all think of this first 2 pairings and any thoughts on a third female?


    Lookin forward to all the responses!
    Thanks!
  • 03-04-2013, 11:36 PM
    interloc
    Gahhh decisions decisions!
    I don't like champs so I don't really like those pairings. Lol. Sorry I'm no help.

    You should get a different high end male and pair him instead. Third female should be an enchi spotnose.
  • 03-04-2013, 11:39 PM
    Andybill
    I would not do champ to bee as the champ spider is considered a lethal combo.
  • 03-05-2013, 12:10 AM
    BCBallPythons
    Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Id go Kingpin for sure. I like that pairing! Lesser Champs are smokin aswrll as Pin Champs!

    Id also re think the Bee personally. Pastel Champs dont do it for me and Spider to Champ is deadly.

    Defintly need to get a Enchi or Mojave combo in there. Best of luck!


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  • 03-05-2013, 12:42 AM
    Pythonfriend
    Re: Gahhh decisions decisions!
    its unusual to breed a 1-gene male to two or 3 two-gene females, normally the male has the highest number of genes.

    that is because you need fewer males than females for breeding, and males are cheaper.

    so if you want to work with champagne, and the other two females (kingpin and bumblebee) are set, i would say: let the third female be a champagne, and get a 2-gene male. maybe pinstripe enchi or something? i agree champagne x spider should be avoided, and with a 2-gene male and a champagne female every clutch you get can be a bit more awesome, because you hit more 3-gene combos and can now hit 4-genes as well.

    just my two cents.
  • 03-05-2013, 12:51 AM
    oskyle1567
    Never really been a fan of champ combos but the kingpin to champ would do just fine. Like others said champ to spider is deadly so i would pick something up you can afford to pair with your bumblebee or trade your champ for something that is compatible with both the females you have.
  • 03-05-2013, 12:52 AM
    timely.grace
    Re: Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Andybill View Post
    I would not do champ to bee as the champ spider is considered a lethal combo.

    Why is that?
  • 03-05-2013, 01:27 AM
    Pythonfriend
    Re: Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by timely.grace View Post
    Why is that?


    they just die?

    spider and champagne are both known to cause a wobble. super champagne is also lethal, and super spider is mysteriously absent.

    you can only have one of these genes.
  • 03-05-2013, 01:45 AM
    Andybill
    Re: Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by timely.grace View Post
    Why is that?

    They either dont make it through incubation and those that do hatch out die shortly there after. Some good info on these vids regarding lethal combos:

    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/vi...erd-video/315/
    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/vi...erd-video/316/
  • 03-05-2013, 11:50 AM
    Southern_Breeder
    Lol Ive pretty much completely changed my thought process around now :D
    I hate makin these decidions sometimes but Im pretty sure Im gonna go with...

    Male kingpin to 3 females :
    Calico
    Sugar
    Killerbee
  • 03-05-2013, 11:57 AM
    Pythonfriend
    Re: Gahhh decisions decisions!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Southern_Breeder View Post
    Lol Ive pretty much completely changed my thought process around now :D
    I hate makin these decidions sometimes but Im pretty sure Im gonna go with...

    Male kingpin to 3 females :
    Calico
    Sugar
    Killerbee


    sounds great :) no genetic issues, 2 gene male to two 1-gene females and a 3-gene female, you also have a lesser female in your signature that would make a good pairing with the kingpin.
  • 03-05-2013, 12:06 PM
    Southern_Breeder
    My lesser female is goin with a male spinner first for my mid range pairings :D
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