Hypo?

Is a hypo an orange ghost? Or just a type of ghost?

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i think hypo (hypomelanistic) and ghost are the same thing. and orange ghost is a specific line of ghost.

Yes Hypos and Ghost are the same thing. There are Orange Ghosts, Green Ghost, Blue Ghost, Desert Ghost etc..

Hypos (Hypomelanistic) is the scientific term used to describe the melanin


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Originally Posted by BCBallPythons

Yes Hypos and Ghost are the same thing. There are Orange Ghosts, Green Ghost, Blue Ghost, Desert Ghost etc..

Hypos (Hypomelanistic) is the scientific term used to describe the melanin


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I agree with this, but just wanted to clarify that desert ghost is a completely separate morph from hypos.

OP, that's a sweet looking hypo!

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Originally Posted by BCBallPythons

Yes Hypos and Ghost are the same thing. There are Orange Ghosts, Green Ghost, Blue Ghost, Desert Ghost etc..

Hypos (Hypomelanistic) is the scientific term used to describe the melanin


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I also don't know if you should throw blue ghost in there just yet. As far as I know, it hasn't been proven. Coulda been just a sweet fluke.

But hypo is the correct term for the "ghost" morphs we ball people have. In other snake circles a ghost means a snake that is both hypo and axanthic. The ball community seemed to just bully the rules out of the way and made ghost the term for hypos. I hope that's not too confusing.

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Originally Posted by interloc

I also don't know if you should throw blue ghost in there just yet. As far as I know, it hasn't been proven. Coulda been just a sweet fluke.

But hypo is the correct term for the "ghost" morphs we ball people have. In other snake circles a ghost means a snake that is both hypo and axanthic. The ball community seemed to just bully the rules out of the way and made ghost the term for hypos. I hope that's not too confusing.

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Here's something interesting. Apparently Mark Petros hatched that crazy looking animal and named it a "blue ghost," but based on this thread that I'll link to, at one point in time there was (probably still is based on post #13) a blue ghost hypo line that Mark's animal isn't related to. Based on that, I kind of wish he would've called it something different so it wouldn't be confusing lol.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...442-Blue-Ghost

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Originally Posted by lyfoti05

I agree with this, but just wanted to clarify that desert ghost is a completely separate morph from hypos.

OP, that's a sweet looking hypo!

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Yes none of the stated morphs are compatible with each other. IE: Orange, Green and Desert.

Blue Ghost may be a bit of a stretch i agree, i was just stating that there are lots of different "Hypos"


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Soooo I was sold that snake I originally posted as a "hypo" it looks orange to me >.> or is that just a plain Jane ghost?

all ghosts are hypos.

all hypos are ghosts.

when you buy a hypo, you get a ghost as well. and when you buy a ghost, you get a hypo as well. its kinda like a 50 cent coin and a half dollar coin, of the same currency.

the question is which kind / which line / which specific morph you have, because the different lines are not really compatible and you get a clutch of normal-looking double hets if you breed it to the wrong one.

To add to confusion there is a Hypo line called Desert Ghost which is a white ghost line. As opposed to 2-gene animals with both the Desert gene and the Ghost geneX2.
Many ghost lines are infact compatible but ,not all.

0.0 nowwww I'm confused lol

when it comes to the morphs that kinda look like albinos, its all very tidy because they have different names: albino, caramel, ultramel, coral glow. and albino, candy and toffee work together, all the other ones dont work together.

with ghost / hypo all the varieties are called ghost or hypo and its a confusing mess. I can understand why people get confused, it just doesnt make that much sense.

Lesserlove, maybe the person that sold the BP to you can tell you which variety of ghost it is.

or can anyone recognize it in the picture?

That snake does look a bit like my Orange ghost(He has a funny head stamp though).
The photo is on the small side and, I'm sure everyone has noticed how different Ball Pythons can appear under different lighting.

Here is my OG for comparison, although I am positive there are many better examples.
http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/...psa7fa630c.jpg

This link may help too:
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgghost.htm

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Originally Posted by Lesserlove

0.0 nowwww I'm confused lol

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To confuse you a little more, I believe people are using the term hypo more often now because a ghost in other species of snakes usually refers to a snake that is showing the axanthic and the hypo genes referred to as a true ghost in BPs

Hmmmm guess i'll be hitting up the breeder lol

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Originally Posted by Lesserlove

Soooo I was sold that snake I originally posted as a "hypo" it looks orange to me >.> or is that just a plain Jane ghost?

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A lot of people do just sell ghosts as ghosts (or hypos as hypos) without specifying any more than this. Yours certainly looks like a nice orange.The vast majority of ghosts are orange and anything else is usually indicated but there are more than one line og OG's out there and not even all of those are compatible (although most are). One problem has been wild caught ghosts coming in, being bred and the offspring simply sold as orange ghosts (hypos); there is also the point that (partly due to them just being sold as 'ghosts/hypos') the original ghost lines have been crossed and muddled in together where compatible. I have a distictive line of ghosts here that apparently originated from NERD, although they are now distinct, a whole bunch of other OG's plus a nice pair of green ghosts. I would love to get hold of some blue ghosts (the original ones) but I am not sure that anyone in the UK has these. All 3 of my types are being kept separate for breeding purposes, although I may well test compatibility between the two OG groups at some point. Aside from that I will be looking to line breed the different OG lines and trying to use them in projects that most suit their particular characteristics.

Got ahold of the breeder, he is a TSK extreme x butterscotch

To reiterate... Desert Ghost is NOT a Hypo line. It is a separate mutation. It is possible (and has been done) to have a Hypo Desert Ghost (double recessive).


Most Ghosts (Hypos) are of the Orange or other fruit flavored variety and are generally compatible. For the most part if a breeder is selling a line that is not compatible with Orange Ghost they will say so.

As was said before, in other snakes, Ghost = Hypo + Anery. So Hypo + Axanthic in BPs is called a True Ghost.

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Originally Posted by Lesserlove

Got ahold of the breeder, he is a TSK extreme x butterscotch

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thats good, thats how it should be, that the breeder keeps the data and is available.

butterscotch ghost is in the morph list:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...rscotch-ghost/

What about the tsk? If I bred her would I have to consider that or would I just focus on the fact that she is part butterscotch and go with that she is a butterscotch hypo?

i dont know that TSK extreme gene unfortunately.


but if the snake really is what he says it is, then it means that these two variants of hypo must be compatible. its a visual hypo after all.

so yes, why not breed it to a butterscotch hypo. i guess you would get a clutch of all hypos, you should get 50% butterscotch and 50% of that TSK extreme + butterscotch combo.

That is, if my assumptions are correct and this is analogous to breeding a lesser mystic to a super lesser.

The TSK line (they called their original import, a very nice looking female, "extreme hypo" but later referred to it as "green" in some of their linages) is compatible with orange ghost and most of the other hypo lines. I've heard there might be another line of "green ghost" that isn't compatible but I'm not sure on that one and I think Graziani had a line "G2" or something like that that wasn't compatible with the larger group. I've personally produced a very nice hypo from crossing a het for the TSK line with a descendant of whatever Brian Sharp was selling years ago (think his website says something like “yellow/butterscotch”). I've also crossed that Brian Sharp line with a het for the Kyle Frost line and produced awesome hypos. I'm sure there have been some incompatibility surprises but I don't think it's a very common problem, in general any "hypo" should do.

http://snakemorphs.com/images/20111030210743_hypo.jpg

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Originally Posted by jinx667

To reiterate... Desert Ghost is NOT a Hypo line. It is a separate mutation. It is possible (and has been done) to have a Hypo Desert Ghost (double recessive).


Most Ghosts (Hypos) are of the Orange or other fruit flavored variety and are generally compatible. For the most part if a breeder is selling a line that is not compatible with Orange Ghost they will say so.

As was said before, in other snakes, Ghost = Hypo + Anery. So Hypo + Axanthic in BPs is called a True Ghost.

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To re-re-iterate, yes it is.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/desert-ghost/

Single gene recessive line of Hypo known as the Desert Ghost not to be confused with Desert + Hypo animals.

"Ghosts come in many different colors ranging from orange, green, yellow, butterscotch and white, which is refereed to as the Desert Ghost. All Ghosts are beautiful, but I am partial to the orange or butterscotch myself.

Different lines of ghost have been proven to be mostly compatible although some lines are not. There have been instances where two ghost have been bred and the resulting clutch produced nothing but normal looking babies. Obviously all double hets for two lines of ghosts." - Markus Jayne

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Originally Posted by Raven01

To re-re-iterate, yes it is.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/desert-ghost/

Single gene recessive line of Hypo known as the Desert Ghost not to be confused with Desert + Hypo animals.

"Ghosts come in many different colors ranging from orange, green, yellow, butterscotch and white, which is refereed to as the Desert Ghost. All Ghosts are beautiful, but I am partial to the orange or butterscotch myself.

Different lines of ghost have been proven to be mostly compatible although some lines are not. There have been instances where two ghost have been bred and the resulting clutch produced nothing but normal looking babies. Obviously all double hets for two lines of ghosts." - Markus Jayne

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Do you believe everything you read on the internet? IMO Desert Ghost does not behave like any form of Hypo. First off they have jet black markings, not faded as if there were the textbook clear layer over it. Only the yellow fades to white over time. In this they act more like the aging process of an Axanthic, but in reverse. They are not overall hypomelanistic.


I stand by that they do not fit into the Hypo type. I am not the only one that feels this way.

The only proven non-compatible lines of hypo I have found are G1 and GCR lines, everything else just seems to be hearsay or unproven. I completely agree with jinx, desert ghost isn't even remotely similar to hypo.