New to this, burms in the everglades?

Just saw a show about this today and guys catching burm's in the everglades. I thought it was BS but after some research its true. Wow so there apparently between 18-100k burms in the glades. Thats crazy.

I wonder how many breeders actually go to the glades and look for clutches of eggs and then try and sell them after they hatch. Captive caught can easily be turned into Captive bred, and for FREE, U just got to find them. Wow

This has been going on for a while, I don't think there would be any breeders picking up glades burms to sell. They are now illegal to transport across state lines, I believe they are not able to be sold in the state of Florida and a clutch of normal burms aren't exactly worth it from a buisness point of view. Such a shame we lost these snakes when they were just coming out with some interesting morphs.

There was recently a hunt there: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50835896#.USBm7mc4mmQ

No one really has any clue as to how many are actually out there, but given that almost 1600 people could only come up with 68 snakes makes me think there's a lot less than what people say, even given their hiding abilities.

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Originally Posted by FrankieCarbone

Wow so there apparently between 18-100k burms in the glades. Thats crazy.

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This is a fudged number. There's no way theres even close to 100K burms in florida.

Lol I love how they say 18-100k.......I mean they might as well have said there's between five and fivebigillionteen. They have no clue and just threw out an inflated number of there to freak people out.

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Originally Posted by FrankieCarbone

I thought it was BS but after some research its true. Wow so there apparently between 18-100k burms in the glades.

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Numbers are disputed, especially after some harsh winter conditions may have impacted their population a few years ago.

Some 1,500 people were licensed to hunt burms in Florida for an experimental season this year with monetary incentives for most and largest snakes destroyed. Less than 70 snakes were turned in.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Lol I love how they say 18-100k.......I mean they might as well have said there's between five and fivebigillionteen. They have no clue and just threw out an inflated number of there to freak people out.

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Exactly.

Rob you have between a .000008% and 96.47% chance of getting with mila kunis. Just trust me, im a doctor.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Exactly.

Rob you have between a .000008% and 96.47% chance of getting with mila kunis. Just trust me, im a doctor.

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Lol sooooo your saying theres a chance.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/21/3ezaju5e.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rob

Lol sooooo your saying theres a chance.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/21/3ezaju5e.jpg

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Absolutely! I didn't just make up those numbers!

I'm in Florida. We has burms climbin in yo windows, snatchin up yo babies, eatin 6ft gators like tater tots. They be cray.

That pained me to type...
Anywho, yea, you're not going to see any breeders snapping up clutches. To own a burm down here you have to have a permit, and it is illegal to cross state lines with one, even if it is your pet.

68 burms captured. 65 killed. 3 males got released back into the glades with tracking devices (including the largest caught, which I believe was around 13-14ft) to hopefully attract/lead them to breeding size females so they can capture and destroy them.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

, and it is illegal to cross state lines with one, even if it is your pet..

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Yup it's so pointless to have the burm on the Lacey act. The whole pitch the politicians had was that if they cross state lines they will escape and take over land all over the county. When the truth is they would all die over the winter anyway, even Florida gets too cold for them. All it is was a chance for a politician to get his name on a bill. They could care less what the bill does.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Lol I love how they say 18-100k.......I mean they might as well have said there's between five and fivebigillionteen. They have no clue and just threw out an inflated number of there to freak people out.

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Hahaha, fivebigillionteen +, is my guess. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Rob

Yup it's so pointless to have the burm on the Lacey act. The whole pitch the politicians had was that if they cross state lines they will escape and take over land all over the county. When the truth is they would all die over the winter anyway, even Florida gets too cold for them. All it is was a chance for a politician to get his name on a bill. They could care less what the bill does.

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I'm not "up" on herp laws, per-say...as I only own 1 measly BP. My question is, are the politicians who sign/create these bills usually dems, reps, other? Or is it a combination of all the above? :confusd: Not that it really matters in the end, I guess...

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Originally Posted by 33rpm

I'm not "up" on herp laws, per-say...as I only own 1 measly BP. My question is, are the politicians who sign/create these bills usually dems, reps, other? Or is it a combination of all the above? :confusd: Not that it really matters in the end, I guess...

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Dem's started the issue, and a few rep's have hopped on the bandwagon. I think the dem's are the driving force, but I'm not entirely sure. I believe east coast reptile breeder (colin weaver) has a great blog post on it. found here : http://ballpythonbreeder.com/2012/07...erpetoculture/

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Originally Posted by 33rpm

I'm not "up" on herp laws, per-say...as I only own 1 measly BP. My question is, are the politicians who sign/create these bills usually dems, reps, other? Or is it a combination of all the above? :confusd: Not that it really matters in the end, I guess...

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The Lacey act covers a lot more then just snakes, and there seems to be people on both right and left in favor of adding to it.

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Originally Posted by Rob

The Lacey act covers a lot more then just snakes, and there seems to be people on both right and left in favor of adding to it.

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The lacey act has been around since the 1900's, and has served as a loop hole / catch all for politicians who want to add laws without going through the proper steps.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

The lacey act has been around since the 1900's, and has served as a loop hole / catch all for politicians who want to add laws without going through the proper steps.

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Lol I believe 1900 to be exact

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

The lacey act has been around since the 1900's, and has served as a loop hole / catch all for politicians who want to add laws without going through the proper steps.

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Ha! Been seeing more and more of THAT lately! (looks to the left...) :salute:

whats not to say the same can happen with BP's? i mean i know why this happened with Burms, guy buys a hatchling after watching too much jake the snake roberts wrestling matches, a few years later sees how big it grows, cant take care of it and dumps them in the glades, it dosent make sense for this to happen with BP's that barely get to 5ft. But who knows?

All im saying it, im suprised that this actually happened, i.e a foreign python from the other side of the world being able to be found easily in florida. It boggles my mind that i can actually go to the glades right now and find a burmese python just roaming around.

And as far as crossing them thru statelines, that dosent seem that hard to do, i mean u can easily take like a regular dozen egg carton, throw out the regular eggs and put the burm eggs in there, i doubt a cop will notice the difference, although it would be a little weird, like why are you driving from florida north on i95 with a carton of eggs?

well, hopefully they didnt get very many, because snakes can hide better than people can search.