Mojave

Not 100% sure if this is the correct spot for this post....wondering if there are any "breed standards" for a mojave?

Anything specific that I should look for when buying a good-high quality mojave?

Thanks in advance!

You should buy what you like.

I would do that regardless of breed standards...this is more for my own curiosity's sake...as most pictures of mojave morphs I have seen just simply appear more brown than a lesser....

wondering if thats all there actually is to the morph or if I am seeing poor quality photos or low quality morphs..

It comes down to personal preference always, but I'll give you my opinion of what I like to see in a mojave :)

I prefer DARK mojave's. I don't want a mojo that someone could mistake for a dark lesser. Good contrast is another big bonus for me, like bright yellows on dark chocolatey browns. Pattern is important to me as well, I like something that catches the eye. Some floating donuts/keyholes on the side pattern is always a bonus for me. Blushing from the belly can really make or break a mojo. (Check out Goldblush Mojave's...holy crapapple)

Here's a few pictures of my Mojave, I'm quite fond of him personally. But in the end, it's up to you! What do you want to look at in your racks :D

When he was ~120g
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...es/mojo3-1.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...es/mojo2-1.jpg

250-300g
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...5/P1020290.jpg

More recent shots (Unfortunately the light tent setup here kind of washes out his dark chocolatey colors a bit) ~450g
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps41e1ca47.jpg

Mojave is just one gene to work with, so breeding standards really dont make much sense.

if you breed a mojave to regular BPs of different quality, you get mojaves of different quality. But that doesnt really affect the combos or super-form that much.

ill try to post some pictures... Super mojave:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/006.jpg


Mojave mystic aka mystic potion:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...potion/004.jpg

Enchi mystic mojave = enchi mystic potion = the corcra ball

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...a-ball/003.jpg

black pastel mojave:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/002.jpg



thats 3 examples of 2-gene combos and one 3-gene combo. Mojave, on its own, isnt that fancy in my opinion, but just add one more gene, the right one, and mojave does awesome, crazy things.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

Mojave is just one gene to work with, so breeding standards really dont make much sense.

if you breed a mojave to regular BPs of different quality, you get mojaves of different quality. But that doesnt really affect the combos or super-form that much.

ill try to post some pictures... Super mojave:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/006.jpg


Mojave mystic aka mystic potion:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...potion/004.jpg

Enchi mystic mojave = enchi mystic potion = the corcra ball

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...a-ball/003.jpg

black pastel mojave:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/002.jpg



thats 3 examples of 2-gene combos and one 3-gene combo. Mojave, on its own, isnt that fancy in my opinion, but just add one more gene, the right one, and mojave does awesome, crazy things.

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And this ideology is exactly why there are so many poor examples on the market.
People buy poor examples cheap, the quality gets hidden the more genes you add, and then you're popping out poor quality when you breed. Sure, the super Mojave looks great. Good luck selling off those poor quality single genes once you breed.

Quality should always be the first thing you look at. It's why we ask for pics of the parents.

Whether it is a single gene, super, combo, recessive etc. Why bother breeding if you don't care what pops out? Breed up, not down or linear. Take care in choosing your snakes, even your normals. It will make a difference in your combos.

If you want to breed just to breed, that's fine and you will still have decent looking offspring when you add enough genes. Personally I would rather breed up and have amazing offspring. To each their own. It just saddens me to see people saying single genes don't matter.

It all depends on what you like. In my opinion the Mojave is one of the prettiest base morphs. That being said, I have yet to get one because I haven't found one I like. For me, a reduced pattern, high blushing and good contrast make for a pretty Mojave. It is all about what you like.

I'm right there with RoseyReps as far as the chocolatey browns go. I love a super reduced pattern mojave, with mocha/chocolate/cream colors and cloudy floating alienheads. Rosey's mojave is absolutely gorgeous in my eyes. I love a mojave with intense blushing.

here is my girl..always difficult for me to photo. She does not like to hold still:

(crappy lighting, not in shed)

http://www.soundexotics.com/img/MojaveMPG3.jpg


(Proper lighting, but in shed!)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8367/8...aea56da06a.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8103/8...1c992404_z.jpg

I prefer mojos with high contrast.
Dark bodies with bright yellows.
I prefer blushing and more blacks rather than brown mojos.

Heres mine as a baby:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...1f/mojavef.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...1f/mojave9.jpg

@ 1400 g:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_1208.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

Mojave is just one gene to work with, so breeding standards really dont make much sense.

if you breed a mojave to regular BPs of different quality, you get mojaves of different quality. But that doesnt really affect the combos or super-form that much.

ill try to post some pictures... Super mojave:

thats 3 examples of 2-gene combos and one 3-gene combo. Mojave, on its own, isnt that fancy in my opinion, but just add one more gene, the right one, and mojave does awesome, crazy things.

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I disagree. Quality and variation makes a huge difference in combos and super forms. But you are right that breeding to different qualities produces different quality offspring. A poor quality single gene wont make as impressive combos as a high quality one. However, having high standards for single gene morphs is a must! Having an amazing base morph will produce amazing combos. Those combos will produce amazing base morphs in return. Its a cycle.

Example, breeding a bright pastel vs a dark muddy pastel will make a huge difference in offspring. Especially in regards to the super pastel and other combos.

Another example on how quality effects a 'combo' is albino. If you breed light colored hets, you get a light low contrast albino, which is not favorable. High contrast albinos are more desired and that can only be achieved though darker hets.

Food for thought.

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you guys are awesome!! and pics too!! ;)

Thanks for the pictures....

I definitely love the darker browns!!

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I disagree. Quality and variation makes a huge difference in combos and super forms. But you are right that breeding to different qualities produces different quality offspring. A poor quality single gene wont make as impressive combos as a high quality one. However, having high standards for single gene morphs is a must! Having an amazing base morph will produce amazing combos. Those combos will produce amazing base morphs in return. Its a cycle.

Example, breeding a bright pastel vs a dark muddy pastel will make a huge difference in offspring. Especially in regards to the super pastel and other combos.

Another example on how quality effects a 'combo' is albino. If you breed light colored hets, you get a light low contrast albino, which is not favorable. High contrast albinos are more desired and that can only be achieved though darker hets.

Food for thought.

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i agree that the quality of the individual gene is important. Especially in pastel there is variation, enchi used to be enchi pastel, now people talk about lemon pastel, different lines exist, etc. But then with some combos it just goes out of the window. So a quality pastel is light and doesnt darken out too much with age, so i guess you would produce good pastels by breeding to light normals. And with cinnamon, you want the snake to have rich dark browns, so to produce nice single-gene cinnys you would breed to awesome looking dark normals. Now you breed them together to make pewters and it all goes out of the window. And if you then breed the pewter to a normal again, well, the 25% normals you get could be anything from light to dark.

or, your example, you like the dark, high-contrast mojaves. And now you breed a pastave. now what, choose a dark pastel where everyone says it doesnt look like a good pastel on its own? or a nice awesome-looking light pastel? Maybe for that you should have used a lighter mojave with less darkness to begin with.

for high-contrast albinos, you could work with very dark hets, thats one way. But its not that reliable because you dont know how much of the darkness of the dark het is really genetic. If you want a really high contrast albino that will pass on the high contrast when bred to other albinos with a 50% chance, you just go for cinnamon albino or black pastel albino.

i dont say you shouldnt select the best animals for breeding, you definitively should. But when i want a mojave and dont know what projects exactly it will be used for in the future, i would select for health and fitness and nice patterning, but would not select one that is unusually dark or light. Just a very good example on how a normal single-gene mojave should look like, without any other unusual genetics going on, thats what i would want, simple and straightforward.

Best Regards

Heres mine.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/19/9u6yhu2a.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/19/7ase5aby.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

i agree that the quality of the individual gene is important. Especially in pastel there is variation, enchi used to be enchi pastel, now people talk about lemon pastel, different lines exist, etc.

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You contradict yourself a lot.
And Enchi Pastel is different from Enchi.

The different lines don't matter. They're still pastel.
They just tend to carry characteristics known for those certain lines.
I.E. Citrus - cleaner brighter, Graziani - less yellow, but extreme blushing, etc etc.....

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But then with some combos it just goes out of the window. So a quality pastel is light and doesnt darken out too much with age, so i guess you would produce good pastels by breeding to light normals. And with cinnamon, you want the snake to have rich dark browns, so to produce nice single-gene cinnys you would breed to awesome looking dark normals.

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This is ,in a way, correct. But you still want high contrast cinnys. Not just dark muddy ones either.
I believe breeding to a nice light normal can make steller high contrast cinnys.

Example of a nice high contrast light cinny:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...1f/1300532.jpg

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Now you breed them together to make pewters and it all goes out of the window. And if you then breed the pewter to a normal again, well, the 25% normals you get could be anything from light to dark.

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Not really...
The pewters can vary as well from very yellow to very silver pewters. Lighter to darker to low contrast to high contrast pewters as well. IT just depends on the base morph examples.

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or, your example, you like the dark, high-contrast mojaves. And now you breed a pastave. now what, choose a dark pastel where everyone says it doesnt look like a good pastel on its own? or a nice awesome-looking light pastel? Maybe for that you should have used a lighter mojave with less darkness to begin with.

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I think you do not understand.

No. You would never want to use a dark pastel to make pastaves. Or dark pastels to make anything really. The point of the pastel is to use it's yellows. It's a color mutation. You wouldn't want to use a dark brown pastel. It will show up as dark brown in combos and single genes.

Pastels influence the blushing and alien head colors in the pastave. So brighter the pastel, brighter the yellows will be in the pastave.
The darkness of a high contrast mojo will influence the body and pattern. But really in the end, it doesn't matter if the mojo is lighter or darker. It matters if it has high contrast or not. Yellow on a mojo will become even more yellow in the pastave. That's why I like the dark high contrast mojaves. The yellows pop. I personally think ugly mojaves are one's that are uniform color and have no contrast.
A dark blushed out pastave with bright yellow alien heads = high contrast imo.

Some examples of decent vs high contrast. I'll let you decide which is which.....
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...le/pastave.jpg
http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.c...xample%201.jpg
http://www.bobclark.com/available/ba...astave_f01.jpg
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/99444SSC_0023.JPG

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for high-contrast albinos, you could work with very dark hets, thats one way. But its not that reliable because you dont know how much of the darkness of the dark het is really genetic. If you want a really high contrast albino that will pass on the high contrast when bred to other albinos with a 50% chance, you just go for cinnamon albino or black pastel albino.

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Yes. You can use black pastels and cinnys. But that wasn't the point of the example I used.....
It usually is genetic most of the time. There are exceptions of course.
But either way, generally, dark normals will influence darkness in it's offspring and light normals will influence it's trait in its offspring.

Look at Gale's (Angllady2)
fires. She bred a fire to a bright blushed out normal and produced very amazing bright blushed out fires.

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i dont say you shouldnt select the best animals for breeding, you definitively should. But when i want a mojave and dont know what projects exactly it will be used for in the future, i would select for health and fitness and nice patterning, but would not select one that is unusually dark or light. Just a very good example on how a normal single-gene mojave should look like, without any other unusual genetics going on, thats what i would want, simple and straightforward.

Best Regards

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You contradict yourself. You say there shouldn't be a 'breed standard' for a high quality animal. And that it doesn't make sense. Yet you say you want to find a "very good example of a single gene mojave". What is a 'good example' if you don't care about 'breed standards'?

It does matter. A higher quality animal will produce higher quality offspring and high quality combos. I'll use the pastel example again.
A brighter more yellow pair of pastels will make a brighter super pastel that is less likely to brown out. Dirty orange pastels will make a darker more dirty super that will probably brown out.

I will now quote what you said, "breeding standards really dont make much sense. if you breed a mojave to regular BPs of different quality, you get mojaves of different quality. But that doesnt really affect the combos or super-form that much. "
Again, it's not only just general general color or pattern. It's also contrast that makes or break a mojave.
For example, I find an all brown mojave with brown alien heads to be a poor example. If a brown or black mojave had a lot of yellows, that would be a good example imo.

And how do you define what a good example is? By looking for a 'good example', doesn't that mean you're looking for a something with a high standard?

I also agree with everything RoseyReps said as well...

I, too, like the higher contrast Mojaves... Nice yellows, darker back, nice blushing on the sides... Here is mine :)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/19/uvyhegat.jpg
My phone never picks up his yellow on his back well... It really stands out in person :)

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Originally Posted by satomi325

And Enchi Pastel is different from Enchi.

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I believe he's referring to when Enchi's were first proven out, they were originally called Enchi Pastel, but the pastel dropped off the name. Other than that, I agree 100% :)