Wilomn...

I'm callin u out.. I may b new here but in another thread I would rather not hijack. You show u feel very strongly on certain husbandry practices or at least what is recommended by the majority of ppl. I would like to have you express some of your "non conventional" views on husbandry..

How do you keep your balls happy?


Take 5 to maybe post a few pics, give reasoning behind why you do what you do rather then going with the flow of everyone else.. Everyone can learn from each other maybe you know something that my snake would like more then the traditional do this and not that list I got..

In the end it's all about the balls right? Keeping them captive while still keeping them happy

This sounds personal. I suggest you take this to PMs.....

No need to poke the dragon awake after the poo has hit the fan....



But if you insist :popcorn:

Really? Why poke the bear? Is there some point you're trying to make? I can almost guarantee that Wes isn't going to comply with your request, simply because you've almost demanded that he do so.

You are new, and the fact that you felt the need to "call out" Wes really illustrates that fact.

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....lol this has quarantine section written all over it already.

Stirring the pot much.

I'm not trying to start anything as I know I have tons to learn.. I prefer not to hijack another thread where ppl have asked similar questions.. Maybe he can give insight that will help others on here as well.. That is why I chose o post publicly rather then in a pm..

Everyone does things diff. I'm simply asking politely for him to reveal his ways... If it works for him y not me? Maybe my pastel would prefer something diff then the typical care sheet stuff

Only point I'm trying to make is that if your going to knock the advice of others maybe you should also offer up alternative advice at the Same time

I sincerely would like to hear all options when it comes to husbandry practices.. And it seems for the most part all I see is the "norm" he says he does a couple things diff.. I'm not saying its wrong as I would be out of place to do so but I would like to know some more details to his ways

I'm not just reffering to the multiple snakes in one cage issue but all around practices.. Temps,humidity, quarantine feeding the whole 9yards

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Everyone does things diff. I'm simply asking politely for him to reveal his ways... If it works for him y not me? Maybe my pastel would prefer something diff then the typical care sheet stuff

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Do you realize that the "non conventional ways/views" of an experienced keeper might not work for a new keeper?

I know I personally don't give my advice based on what I do but based on what the keeper's experience is!

How come no one cares about how i keep my balls?!

You do realize making him his own thread is like handing him ego points, right? Try to not make it that easy for him in the future. Make him work for it at least.

Not the brightest idea imo...

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Do you realize that the "non conventional ways/views" of an experienced keeper might not work for a new keeper?

I know I personally don't give my advice based on what I do but based on what the keeper's experience is!

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In that case I would like to know some of your methods as well..

Not to poke the beast here as some of you put It but, I'm a mechanic I'm on multiple car forums and all I'm saying is I don't give advice on fixing a car that I haven't had experience fixing and I don't tell others not to do something a certain way without giving them reasons.. As I tell the 4technicians that work for me "life experience is something we all can share, so we can all learn from one another regardless of age schooling or length of time you have been in the industry"

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

How come no one cares about how i keep my balls?!

You do realize making him his own thread is like handing him ego points, right? Try to not make it that easy for him in the future. Make him work for it at least.

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Mike if I lay it out easy for him maybe he won't take offense to someone being interested in his practices and maybe he can share some info on his experiences.

Oh and n e thing outside the box that you do with your balls mike?

Wow.. That one sounded bad.......

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Oh and n e thing outside the box that you do with your balls mike?

Wow.. That one sounded bad.......

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Sorry, cant share my practices. Im a ball whisperer. Cant give away my secrets. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Sorry, cant share my practices. Im a ball whisperer. Cant give away my secrets. ;)

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That's cuz you play with them...:D

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

That's cuz you play with them...:D

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They do like to be held often. They like their rack though too.

EDIT: Its a really nice rack too. Nice and warm with the perfect size tubs. animal plastics did a great job.

I was going to let the termites take over the house so my BPs would feel more at home.

I broke down and got it treated instead. :(

Getting a lil off topic here..

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Only point I'm trying to make is that if your going to knock the advice of others maybe you should also offer up alternative advice at the Same time

I sincerely would like to hear all options when it comes to husbandry practices.. And it seems for the most part all I see is the "norm" he says he does a couple things diff.. I'm not saying its wrong as I would be out of place to do so but I would like to know some more details to his ways

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have you any idea how often the same questions are posed and the same advice regurgitated on a daily basis? I'd first refer you to Deborah's post, but also suggest you ask yourself whether Wilomn might be trying to make a larger point that hasn't quite crystallized for you yet by posting the way he does. I can't claim to know the man, but I can tell you that I have never witnessed him play the antagonist for his own benefit.

I haven't read the thread you object to, but best of luck kicking around these parts if this is your immediate reaction.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

They do like to be held often. They like their rack though too.

EDIT: Its a really nice rack too. Nice and warm with the perfect size tubs. animal plastics did a great job.

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is it a big rack or is it just the right size to make everyone happy?

you should post pics of your balls resting in their nice rack too.

hmmmmm yummmy....Anyone else want some popcorn???


Let me go unrack my balls....maybe they want to sit on my desk with me and watch this drama unfold.....

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

is it a big rack or is it just the right size to make everyone happy?

you should post pics of your balls resting in their nice rack too.

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No i had a big one before. They like this one better now. Its just the right size now.

Heres two of them in the rack!:
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I get how the forums work as I mentioned I'm on a few others as well..

Everyone asks the same question a million times to get the same answer.. Hence y I am asking for his personal ways rather then "what temps" I could do a search for the regurgitated answers I want the ones that ppl don't throw out to every newb that comes on the boards..


Trust me I know how annoying it is to see someone else post the same question that the person b4 them asked yesterday..

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Sorry, cant share my practices. Im a ball whisperer.... ;)

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You win at life.

Also how is anyone supposed to become more experienced in these other ways of husbandry if no one gives their advice on it rather then spitting out what the last guy said?

I may just be a newb but I can't progress past newb with out more advanced advice. I would hate to try something new and outside the box that hurts my snake

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Originally Posted by Griffith

You win at life.

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No need to boost my ego. This thread is about Wilomns ego, lets keep it focused on that. Though i AM well on my way to curmudgeon status like him.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Also how is anyone supposed to become more experienced in these other ways of husbandry if no one gives their advice on it rather then spitting out what the last guy said?

I may just be a newb but I can't progress past newb with out more advanced advice. I would hate to try something new and outside the box that hurts my snake

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What specific questions do you have? All you did with this thread is try and call wilomn out lol...

Haha...I should have taken your quote and put his name on it! What was I thinking?! :rolleyes: :D

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

They do like to be held often. They like their rack though too.

EDIT: Its a really nice rack too. Nice and warm with the perfect size tubs. animal plastics did a great job.

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Mike, thanks to that quote, you single-handedly killed the bbq I was getting ready to run in the game I play. ;)
It's amazing what happens when you copy paste something like that into the middle of a group of people who have nothing to do with the reptile world...

Anxiously awaiting the official wilomn response...

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Mike, thanks to that quote, you single-handedly killed the bbq I was getting ready to run in the game I play. ;)
It's amazing what happens when you copy paste something like that into the middle of a group of people who have nothing to do with the reptile world...

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Idk what a bbq is...? But youre welcome! Anytime!

My questions have been stated.. What are his personal husbandry practices?

If you really want to know, then do as suggested and PM him. But since the thread started with "I'm calling you out", I doubt you'll get an actual response from him...if you really honestly wanted to ask him questions, you wouldn't have started the thread in an antagonistic way.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

I get how the forums work as I mentioned I'm on a few others as well..

Everyone asks the same question a million times to get the same answer.. Hence y I am asking for his personal ways rather then "what temps" I could do a search for the regurgitated answers I want the ones that ppl don't throw out to every newb that comes on the boards..


Trust me I know how annoying it is to see someone else post the same question that the person b4 them asked yesterday..

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then ask your specific questions. you'll get answers, some of which might actually be helpful to your particular situation. what a lot of people resent, myself included, is a sense of entitlement and an unwillingness to accept anything other than spoon-fed answers. we all make mistakes, and I have a few posts I'd prefer to forget. but you can overcome even the most severe gaffe if you do your own work and turn resources to your advantage.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

My questions have been stated.. What are his personal husbandry practices?

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how many false water cobras do you own? you might have to get specific.

YAY Northern Virginia!!

BoostedMX3...if you pay attention to Wilomn, you'll notice he never challenges conventional husbandry. He challenges those who spout off conventional husbandry as though it's the word of God and shoot down anything that's a little on the fringe without ever actually having any experience with such things. You line up 1,000 people keeping snakes, and you'll see just as many differences in their keeping.

Are you saying I have made a mistake?

One of the reasons I'm "calling him out" is because I would like to ear something other then the same spoon fed answers.

And by calling him out I'm not trying to be demeaning or offensive, maybe a lil antagonizing but someone with the attitude and ego he shows to have wouldn't be bothered by it..

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Are you saying I have made a mistake?

One of the reasons I'm "calling him out" is because I would like to ear something other then the same spoon fed answers.

And by calling him out I'm not trying to be demeaning or offensive, maybe a lil antagonizing but someone with the attitude and ego he shows to have wouldn't be bothered by it..

Just under 2 hours and this thread already has 40 replies.

Whoah that all happened so fast!

Guys. I get that the thread was started for a silly reason, but I believe our OP here does have an okay point. Why don't we share our unconventional husbandry practices? Just because some newb might come across this one thread and make things go terribly wrong? I don't think that is a very good reason to withhold information to people who are more than willing to pick your brain. I am always learning through the practices of others. Sometimes I change my mind about things that I once thought were out of the question.

It is a worthwhile conversation is what I am trying to say. It doesn't belong on this thread and we certaintly don't need to make threads that specifically ask for the advice of one person. That is what PMs are for! If you want to create another thread that is all about people detailing and discussing their husbandry practices, I will gladly participate.


Don't all jump on the new kid all at once. Wilomn is easily misunderstood, we all know this. He has some great things to say that are sometimes masked in sarcasm that some people find offensive. Instead of sitting on the side lines, making fun, or just refusing to answer the OPs other questions, how about we make some suggestions and try to help? Isn't that what this site is about?

The reason that people generally give the same advice to noobs is because it's what generally works best for noobs. That doesn't mean there's not other ways to do things, but for someone relatively new at keeping snakes, why start complicating things with methods that might need more tweaking or supervision?

When Wilomn says that there are other ways, it's usually in response to someone stating outright that X should never be done, and only Y is a good method.

So, after you yourself have admitted that you are a noob.... and you have admitted that most of the advice is geared towards noobs... why do you want advanced methods? I'm reminded of the story of the lawnmower repairer who told the owner that he had readjusted the thingymugummie because someone had fiddled with it. The owner asked where the thingymugummie was and the repairer said "Well, if I don't show you where it is, you won't fiddle with it."

I tend to recommend newbie level animals and methods to people who are new at keeping herps. I would strongly discourage a newbie from rushing out to keep venomous, or to attempt to keep multiple snakes in a planted terrarium. It's not good for the animals or the keeper.

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So, after you yourself have admitted that you are a noob.... and you have admitted that most of the advice is geared towards noobs... why do you want advanced methods?

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So what you are saying is, because he is new, we should refuse to answer his questions about advanced husbandry.

This seems wrong.

How do I progress beyond noob if People don't share some more advanced advice is the point.. Not saying I would jump out and keep 5 snakes in one tank and feed them all live together at once..

I would like more advanced methods and options as maybe your advances method happens to suit my needs and abilities better..

I am guilty of and see others freaking out about keeping "perfect" husbandry with temps and stuff as the way a lot of the basic info gets put to ppl it's like keep these numbers for temps and humidity or your snakes going to die..

I originally decided to get a bp cuz they are easy to care for compared to a lot of reptiles.. Then I came here and i saw a lot of the advice and it honestly made keeping a bp seem way harder then it is.. At least so far..

Also maybe if I fiddle with it I will find something new that I could then offer on here as an option

OK...I kinda gotta give the self proclaimed noob a bit of respect for the above post.....


Im still a noob and definitely am fascinated by "advanced" techniques and learning all I can...then again Im an intellectual sponge and have been since I was born....

UHHH....Ohhhhh...Ahhhhh... *Hiding behind Dan Simons "Hyperion Cantos"*
Id rather meet Shrike than get involved in this...

It's the tone of the original post that puts me off.
The way you call out Wilomn specifically.
It's such an aggressive and demanding opening statement. Especially since it stemmed off the other thread, in which many were against what Wilomn said. It sounded like it lacked sincerity....

If you wanted advanced husbandry or unconventional care tips, why couldn't you have just asked about it in general in a neutral way? Or PM him a request to write out what his methods and techniques?

I feel that your tone has changed based on the responses you got....

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Anyway, the way you evolve from noob to knowledgeable is through experience. The specs in the care sheet and the regurgitated advice are guidelines. It's just easier for newbies with no knowledge to follow that type of consistent guidelines.
Think of a math problem. There is a given equation, but there can be several ways to solve it. There can be easier or harder techniques to apply to solving that problem.

You need to figure out what works for you and what keeps your snakes health and thriving. Some keepers prefer using an ambient temp of 85 with no hot spot for their BPs. Others prefer 80 ambient with 90 degree hot spot. Personally, I have 75 ambient with an 88 hot spot. Some people use paper towel substrate, others use mulch. There is no set way. It's just what works for you and your animals.


In my mind, advanced husbandry would be an accurate naturalistic terrarium that imitates Africa with a micro-habitat/climate and light cycle.
Rack systems and basic tanks are simplistic....

I mean seriously, how 'advanced' can plastic Tupperware in a rack get? You just need to fulfill a few requirements to keep a snake thriving (consistent temps, humidity, space, hide, food, water, etc etc). People go from tanks to tubs because it's easier.

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Think of a math problem. There is a given equation, but there can be several ways to solve it. There can be easier or harder techniques to apply to solving that problem.

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Actually, a better example would be cooking.
When you first learn how to cook, you follow a recipe word for word. As you gain experience, you find that you don't have to follow the recipe word for word and can add your own flare to it. You can replace certain ingredients and different amounts of it to still gain a similar final result.

So my first line was aggressive ok I'll give u that.. If u look at the rest how my tone has been any diff.. I said I wasn't trying to start anything with him and I didn't want to hijacks the other thread which is why I made this one..

It seems to have gotton some interest starting the thread like I did no? Apparently it hasnt gotton his attention yet but I'm really not nor was I ever trying to get into a fight on the interwebza. Just a discussion, I even asked other member for info on things they might do outside the box. Yet the thread was still directed towards him..

It amazes me how everyone assumes your being aggressive or attacking when your simply trying to get a legitimate answer for a question that was answered with a bit of an condescending attitude..