Bling Yellowbelly and orangebelly question

Bling yellowbelly the most expensive type. Is it worth it? Any one done a comparison?
Same question about the orangebelly. Anyone work with this one? Does it throw the same results as yellowbelly?
It is my understanding for example OB x OB = graphite.
graphite to YB=ultra ivory.
Ultra ivory x normal=YB and OB so it would be what Kevin at nerd calls acts like super.
This is my theory have not done the leg work. Has anyone proved this out?
if this is true it means the orangebelly is not a yellowbelly. For example lesser,butter complex.

Bling YB is from NERD and therefore more expensive. If your lucky it will be a "Fader" and even cost more. I have seen other non-Bling YBs at 1/3 the price that look just as nice. NERD has some awesome stuff, but sometimes their pricing seems a little out of whack. To each his own, and if folks are paying it then so be it.

I do not know too much about the OB, my impression was that it was just another line of YB.

I think you just need to look around for a sexy yellow belly. I was very picky about mine and I finally found this gal this year and I was blown away.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/04/a2eqabab.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/04/5u5yqu4y.jpg
I don't know what line she is but I think she is awesome. SnakesRkewl has his own line and IMHO are much nicer than the bling yellowbellies.
NERD is like other big brand name company's in my opinion. You pay a lot more for the name. Are his yellow bellys different than the next guys? I really don't know but you can find nice ones anywhere. You just gotta kick some tires first. Good luck!

Bling, Orange Belly, Goblin are different line of YB and are compatible with one another.

The OB X OB pairing has the possibility to yield Ultra Ivories and Graphite Ivories, the gene is still not fully understood, Ben had a few theories not sure if any has proved out.

I work with OB http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...7-Orange-Belly

I seen bling yb on show an I sen blings as well.
Blings looks much so like ultra ivories so... I think that just NERD lineof orange bellies

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Originally Posted by QTEpythons

acts like super.

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don't use that term, I have no idea why he felt the need to create a new term, which in itself is wrong because super doesn't even have a definition everyone agrees on.

it's call allelic or on the same locus

I mean nerd has some crazy yellowbelly stuff and fader stuff that looks nothing like normal yb combos. Maybe theres something to it maybe not but theres definitely something going on different with there stuff.

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Originally Posted by oskyle1567

I mean nerd has some crazy yellowbelly stuff and fader stuff that looks nothing like normal yb combos. Maybe theres something to it maybe not but theres definitely something going on different with there stuff.

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I am on the fence about all of that. I am in the camp that thinks Fader is line breeding, but that is a whole other conversation.

Example is that in the new video Kevin was showing the Inferno Bling YB Fader, which look pretty much just like my regular Fire YB. He specifically pointed out the blushing that went all the way around the back as a marker for Fader. Mine has this in a few spots. Mine is not a Fader, just a very very nice example of the combo. Thus, great examples can be found elsewhere if you are willing to look. I would hate to see the price on the Inferno Bling YB Fader, but I paid about $900 for my Fire YB and would put him up against it any time.

I agree and apologize. Down with the flu and just finished watching Kevin's videos. It imprinted on my mushy brain. LOL.

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I agree and apologize. Down with the flu and just finished watching Kevin's videos. It imprinted on my mushy brain. LOL.

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I didn't push the right buttons. This is meant in response to using the ALS term.

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Originally Posted by oskyle1567

I mean nerd has some crazy yellowbelly stuff and fader stuff that looks nothing like normal yb combos. Maybe theres something to it maybe not but theres definitely something going on different with there stuff.

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I like the orange flames the bling has. It does give it a unique look compared to other YB's I've seen.

I watch the videos to see cool snakes, not to learn really. I take everything I hear in his videos with a grain of salt. I agree 110% with Jinx. I think the fader "gene" is a result of line breeding. Even the HGW + G (granite) thing is debatable. Supposedly the granite "sticks" to the HGW, and you can produce granites. His pastel YB fader granite looks like a regular pastel. I bet it's a pastel YB, but granite and fader? meh. Doesn't warrant the 4k price tag IMO. As Jinx said, if people are willing to pay that money, then good on kevin for being a great salesman. Sloan Reptiles purchased a "HGWG" but sell their offspring as HGW. They say their philosophy is that they'd rather sell a snake as what it obviously is, and if the buyer gets something sweet out of it, then they're happy.

I also think Jinx's fire YB is one of the hottest ones out there, and there's no fader in it lol. Just a great example.

Shop for quality - not the gene, not the price, and not the name. You will be happier than if you saved a few bucks on that brown bumblebee :gj:.

I don't dislike Kevin at all. I think he's doing a great job getting people excited about ball pythons. He definitely has a passion for reptiles or else he wouldn't fight tooth and nail to keep them available for all of us. However, he's also running a business, and he must do what he can to sell his snakes. That means telling people that there -might- be something extra in his snakes, or that his snakes are the best. Doesn't everyone say they have the finest, healthiest, most top-shelf animal? Just felt like adding this disclaimer-ish paragraph to let you know I'm just sharing my opinion, and not really giving a review on him or his business :gj:. I freakn love NERD :P.

Isn't marketing neat :banana:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Isn't marketing neat :banana:

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haha. there's a sucker born every day :P! that's why it's important to learn as much as you can before potentially dishing out thousands of dollars on bad investments :gj:! Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread.. I'm just too lazy to start a new discussion about the HGWG/fader/blingYB stuff lol.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Isn't marketing neat :banana:

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This often feels like a MLM. Its hard not to get distracted chasing the carrot. My goal is making a panda pied very looooong term considering I bought a black pastel girl from Jerry last year and het pieds. Also I am focusing on clown projects. In those I need to have a morph base to produce hets. And the chaos starts.
To make a short story longer from what I see I like Kevin's stuff. I also would buy a bling YB with knee high boots on if you know what I mean.
What I'm thinking for 6 or 700 dollars I can put the bling to a breeding test against a "normal YB" or preferably a orangebelly. I would breed the bling to a lemonblast I have and the other to a pastel. See what comes out. I won't be put out financially since when I sell I'll be benefiting from Kevin's marketing.
I think the bling will come out on top and if it doesn't ill end up with some cool YB stuff.
I'll make a decision next week and post pics of the two boys and results when it's done.
If it not fun it's not worth doing.

Our YB's look far better than Kevins Bling stuff. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Our YB's look far better than Kevins Bling stuff. Just saying.

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I feel the same thing about my line of yb :)

I also think Jerry's YB look far superior to Blings as well.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Our YB's look far better than Kevins Bling stuff. Just saying.

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Do you have any pics posted?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I feel the same thing about my line of yb :)

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When someone says "their line" what does that mean?
you started from a import? Or selective breeding? Do they have specific patterns or blushing that is can consistently be reproduced?
I've been a lurker for years finally started interacting with the community.
There is no ball python dictionary.
I noticed the definition of ringer is not always consistent. Sometimes I think they should call it a paradox.
As definitions go it seems to be subjective.
I keep using the gold blush Mojave as an example. It seems that once you breed into your stock it might start loosing some of the gold blush attributes. Called leaning toward the mean.
But it would still be considered a line correct?

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Originally Posted by QTEpythons

When someone says "their line" what does that mean?
you started from a import? Or selective breeding? Do they have specific patterns or blushing that is can consistently be reproduced?
I've been a lurker for years finally started interacting with the community.
There is no ball python dictionary.
I noticed the definition of ringer is not always consistent. Sometimes I think they should call it a paradox.
As definitions go it seems to be subjective.
I keep using the gold blush Mojave as an example. It seems that once you breed into your stock it might start loosing some of the gold blush attributes. Called leaning toward the mean.
But it would still be considered a line correct?

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Let's see :P. Their line can refer to either their selective breeding, such as the goldblush mojaves or the lemon pastels/graziani pastels. Their line could also refer to the snake that they imported such as the amir line pastel aka the citrus pastel. So yes to both :gj:.

A ringer is the orangey coloration that creeps up from the belly. Sometimes the ringer is barely noticeable because it junks up the pattern just a tiny bit, and you can see some odd coloration. Sometimes it creeps up really high, and you can see white coming up from the belly! Dave Green is working with "extreme ringer" champagnes that are pretty much half champ and half white LOL.

The paradox is referring to the instance where you can see traits of another morph or normal coloration/pattern in the pattern of a morph or normal. For example, pacific coast reptiles has a het ultramel male that looks like a normal ball python, except some parts of the pattern are ultramel colored :gj:. Albinos will sometimes have paradox spots where a section looks normal.

Here's a ringer:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0676.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0672.jpg

There are more extreme versions and slightly more subtle ones :gj:. There's a terminology sticky around this forum somewhere.... Perhaps it should be updated with pictures or something.

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Here's a ringer:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0676.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0672.jpg

There are more extreme versions and slightly more subtle ones :gj:. There's a terminology sticky around this forum somewhere.... Perhaps it should be updated with pictures or something.

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Thanks hooblah you've been very helpful.

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Thanks hooblah you've been very helpful.

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np :D.

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Do you have any pics posted?

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http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/dsc00755.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/dsc00737.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/dsc00744.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/dsc00751.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/dsc00741.jpg

:D

Very nice. Thanks for posting. Love the light sides.

Very very nice yb!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Bling, Orange Belly, Goblin are different line of YB and are compatible with one another.

The OB X OB pairing has the possibility to yield Ultra Ivories and Graphite Ivories, the gene is still not fully understood, Ben had a few theories not sure if any has proved out.

I work with OB http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...7-Orange-Belly

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Does it work out like this.
Ultra ivory x normal will produce YB, OB, Graphite, ivory and ultra ivory?
if I take one of the graphites x normal produce only Orangebellies?
Just wondering. It's a weird gene. Haven't commuted to it yet. But i like it.

Non-specific line of yb. (Breeder mentioned she came from amir line ivory, but that ivory was not directly from Amir himself so I don't hold much weight on that)

Shop for quality, always! :D I paid $135 for her.

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps6e882622.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4ff6c6e0.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps54c98188.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps6d37c334.jpg

For one the bling yellow belly has a super form its a completely different morph like the coral glow and the banana. The bling yellow bellow for one is nicer and has more possibilities. Nerd produces them but the bling you can also get from other breeders. Mojopythons.com has a bling yellow belly in their lucifer, granite, fader, blingyellowbelly, hg woma. So they will have some bling combos coming later this year

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For one the bling yellow belly has a super form its a completely different morph like the coral glow and the banana. The bling yellow bellow for one is nicer and has more possibilities. Nerd produces them but the bling you can also get from other breeders. Mojopythons.com has a bling yellow belly in their lucifer, granite, fader, blingyellowbelly, hg woma. So they will have some bling combos coming later this year

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The super bling YB looks like any other ivory :confusd:..

Biased NERD fanboy?


I'm honestly not impressed with Bling YBs. Alone, they don't look that great. Like the one's they have on their website right now are really sub-par.
There are members here who have unknown lines (Rosey's Reps) or their own line (Jerry), whos YBs look way hotter and are A+ snakes.

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Originally Posted by mario16

I love that yellow belly where did you get it from, I'm looking for one like that

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Stan Ruppel on kingsnake.com :)

Though, many speculate she is actually a yb fire and I just got super lucky ...time will tell ;)

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Originally Posted by interloc

I think you just need to look around for a sexy yellow belly. I was very picky about mine and I finally found this gal this year and I was blown away.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/04/a2eqabab.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/04/5u5yqu4y.jpg
I don't know what line she is but I think she is awesome. SnakesRkewl has his own line and IMHO are much nicer than the bling yellowbellies.
NERD is like other big brand name company's in my opinion. You pay a lot more for the name. Are his yellow bellys different than the next guys? I really don't know but you can find nice ones anywhere. You just gotta kick some tires first. Good luck!

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Man, I would LOVE to have a female YB that looks like that...

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Originally Posted by Royal Hijinx

Man, I would LOVE to have a female YB that looks like that...

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Thanks. That means alot from someone with as stellar a collection as you have. :)