Het markers

I don't know if this is the right place to post this. I'm pretty new at this and keep hearing about markers for this morph and that. Can someone educate me on the different markers for morphs.

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The only markers I really know of are het pied markers. They sometimes have tracks on their bellies near their tails. Sometimes they have ringers as well. I don't have any ringers, but here are my het pieds. It's not fool proof, but an idea of what markers can look like. Keep in mind normals can have these "markers" too.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Isis/088-1.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...a/Isis/137.jpg

This one is a het pied het albino
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...sis/009-12.jpg

Hi,

Bottom line? If the markers were accurate guides to the presence of the gene the morph would be called co-dominant not recessive.


dr del

There are some recessive het genes that do visually express themselves.

Take the pewter het pied for example. The het pied gene washes out the snake. That pewter het pied with a regular pewter look completely different side by side.
Another example would be het. clowns. The het clown gene tends to brighten and clean up the morph. Of course, this is not always the case, but I would say usually.
And the markings of het clowns tend to look a little different too sometimes (larger eye spots in the alien head for example).

Thank you.

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The marker to rely on is buying from a reputable breeder, then markers or lack thereof will not matter :gj:

I have some hets with mar strong markers some with more subtle markers and some without any markers (all are hets, either produced by me or proven)

I also have had normal with markers ;)

Here is an example of a strong Pied markers, this girl is actually a double het ;) (DH seems accentuate the Pied markers)

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Markers01.jpg

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Originally Posted by satomi325

There are some recessive het genes that do visually express themselves.

Take the pewter het pied for example. The het pied gene washes out the snake. That pewter het pied with a regular pewter look completely different side by side.
Another example would be het. clowns. The het clown gene tends to brighten and clean up the morph. Of course, this is not always the case, but I would say usually.
And the markings of het clowns tend to look a little different too sometimes (larger eye spots in the alien head for example).

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Here is a Pewter 66% het pied that I'm hoping will prove out! I should find out this season. She has been locking with my pastel het pied male.

http://www.dailyexotics.com/girls/aussie/img_9995.jpg

I love that pewter

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Originally Posted by koloo921

Here is a Pewter 66% het pied that I'm hoping will prove out! I should find out this season. She has been locking with my pastel het pied male.

http://www.dailyexotics.com/girls/aussie/img_9995.jpg

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Steph, I would say without a doubt, that Pewter is a het. The Pied gene causes pretty solid striping in Cinny and Pewter animals, especially towards the tail/posterior 1/2 of the body.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSC00740.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF3921.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0838.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0814.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0799.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9994.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ewtermale3.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/IMG_3556.jpg

I believe you get the picture.lol. Good luck with your breeding and hope you hit on some of these.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9902.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSC00814.jpg

just wanted to post pics of my hets. just normals. but i like them... im proud of them

male
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...psecd06ba0.jpg
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps06911307.jpg

female... she doesnt like me
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse93e1174.jpg
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps68bb5257.jpg
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps72dced70.jpg
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7ab34af9.jpg

One of my normal has something similar on his bellyhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/05/eqy5u5eb.jpg

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sweet!

idk if mine is because of being het pied, but thats pretty cool to be on a normal!!!

mine was in a clutch of 2 pieds, and 5 hets one being a ringer. i cant wait to prove them out!!

So if this is a type of marker and bred him to a het pied female I should get pied babies and that would be proving him out right.

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possible. my het has that same orange spot. alot of poss hets do. could be poss het pied.

i dont believe a normal would have that orange spot but what do i know. got more pics of him?


to prove a het pied. you would have to breed him to a het pied to prove them out. like both of mine are the same clutch. 100% het x 100% het.

could take 1 try could take 10 tries to get a pied.

Your best bet to prove it out would be to use a visual Pied. Why take a chance on a 100% Het or PH? The visual Pied would also ensure you get at least 100% Het babies.

Pied x 100% Het gets you 50% odds at a visual Pied.

100% x 100% only gets you 25% odds at a visual Pied.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Your best bet to prove it out would be to use a visual Pied. Why take a chance on a 100% Het or PH? The visual Pied would also ensure you get at least 100% Het babies.

Pied x 100% Het gets you 50% odds at a visual Pied.

100% x 100% only gets you 25% odds at a visual Pied.

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thought the best way to prove them out would be to do 100% het x 100% het. and if one comes out visual then they are hets?

with a pied x poss het or het you would only have a chance to get a pied and hets, and it doesnt prove it out, its like breeding a pied x normal but with the hets if you get a visual?

or did i miss something

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Originally Posted by snowcolt

or did i miss something

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Yes you did...

Pied x poss het....if you end up with any visuals, your poss het is then no doubt a het.

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Originally Posted by snowcolt

thought the best way to prove them out would be to do 100% het x 100% het. and if one comes out visual then they are hets?

with a pied x poss het or het you would only have a chance to get a pied and hets, and it doesnt prove it out, its like breeding a pied x normal but with the hets if you get a visual?

or did i miss something

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You missed a lot..........................
You are trying to prove out one snake, not two.
When dealing with recessive genes, both snakes have to carry the gene to get a visual.
If you use a visual to a het/ph and get a visual in the clutch then you have proven out your het/ph BUT if you don't get any visuals then you at least know the clutch is all 100% het because you used a visual in the pairing.

okay i understand.

thanks for clearing that up :)

i was thinking of you had a pied x het then it would be like a pied x normal that you might get a pied because of the visual, but all you would have is hets not a visual. but i understand

with a pied x het if you get a pied its proved out.