Sanana Super Dwarf retic

Hi guys,

i have been talking to a guy that has got hold of a male retic that he claims was imported from the island of Sanana. These apparently from what he says are natural occuring super dwarfs just as the kayuadis. He claims that the snake is a year old and i saw it the other day and it is the girth of a cornsnake and will be around 2.5 ft in length. Has a beautiful normal coloured pattern but really nice compared to other normal retics ive seen before. He claims there are only 20 snakes from this origin in Europe and the other 19 are owned by some french guy... I wanted to check with you firstly if there is such local as Sanana retics, if its true they are so rare and if they are natural super dwarfs. Unfortunately i wasnt able to get a photo of the animal but i held it and fell in love with it.


Thanks in advance and hope to hear about your thoughts!

I know nothing about Retics, but I am subscribing because I am interested in knowing this. I hope to one day have a super dwarf.

I am pretty deep into the wold of super dwarf and dwarf retics - while europe seems to routinely get new locales, it seems to make some noise in the retic community. I have a friend in europe who works with super dwarfs, I'll shoot him an email and see what he knows, but I'm almost certain that even if it is a new locale - there is not really a way to know for sure how large or small it's size will get. IMO if you are wanting to get a dwarf, stick with the Kalatoa. This is my two year old male Anery. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8...c57fbcd0_b.jpg males stay udner 6' and females under 7-8' and that's a giant. Most pure females won't get above 6, and most pure males will stay below 5'.

thank you very much for your help! i would be really interested in knowing what your friend knows about this topic! If anyone else knows anything about it feel free to post!

Sanana was an unknowns locale to my friend. He went on to say the newest dwarf locale brought in was kupang. I verified that Sanana was a small island isolated from the mainland so that much could be plausible for a SD population I did not go Into the details to look and see where the island was in relation to the proposed migration currents for the mainland retics that spread to these islands. So that is still up in the air.

Sanana would be similar to the species branching that occurred in Jampea locale. Again if they are verifiably from Sanana I'd still be willing to think they are a dwarf species not super dwarf. They would likely have the same environmental factors as jampea. Therefor 8-10 ft on average but 16' possible. Again I'd urge you simply grab a solid known super dwarf like Kalatoa.

As with all dwarfs though you can increase their food and make them bigger. So be prepared.

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I am pretty deep into the wold of super dwarf and dwarf retics - while europe seems to routinely get new locales, it seems to make some noise in the retic community. I have a friend in europe who works with super dwarfs, I'll shoot him an email and see what he knows, but I'm almost certain that even if it is a new locale - there is not really a way to know for sure how large or small it's size will get. IMO if you are wanting to get a dwarf, stick with the Kalatoa. This is my two year old male Anery. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8...c57fbcd0_b.jpg males stay udner 6' and females under 7-8' and that's a giant. Most pure females won't get above 6, and most pure males will stay below 5'.

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Thanks for this ^! I love the look of retics but have no desire to have that large of an animal or try to house & feed one as an adult. Nothing at all against them, as they are stunning animals, just not something I would be comfortable keeping. That said, a dwarf of this species is sounding better & better if that's all the larger they average in terms of size.

Thank you so much Reptileexperts! that information was really useful! i will definitely pass on this one then and look for a much safer option. The thing is that the amount of retics in spain is really small so you dont get too much to choose from and hamm show (germany) is not that close to go...


thank you very much for your help

No worries. Try looking up some breeders with the RFUK (reptile forums Uk) I know a few people on there who breed super Jamps and may be able to get them into Spain easily. I'm not too confident in my import export knowledge for that area but unless retics specifically are banned it shouldn't be an issue. You guys have plenty of super dwarf / dwarf options. But in all cases - be prepared for a snake that gets larger and be thankful when it stays small. I have a super dWarf tiger that was less than 100 grams in October. She's now 5' and right under 700 grams! Insane growth for an SD. She has great genetics the difference is simply the fact I am feeding her on a normal retic schedule and she's giving positive healthy growth. So just be prepared!

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Thanks for this ^! I love the look of retics but have no desire to have that large of an animal or try to house & feed one as an adult. Nothing at all against them, as they are stunning animals, just not something I would be comfortable keeping. That said, a dwarf of this species is sounding better & better if that's all the larger they average in terms of size.

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You still have to be mindful of their feeding aggression. The super dwarf locales are also quite flighty and like to run off from you quick quick. My pure SD is quite a handful sometimes just because sitting still is not his thing. My 50% SD's are much more laid back but also get much larger to the 9-11ft range, while still staying quite thin - think between a BCC and Coastal Carpet Python. I believe there is a retic out there for everyone with our abilities to semi-gauge the size that the outcome will result in. As always though, it's never a guarantee that they will stay small. So buy from trusted keepers, check parental sizes / genetics, and be prepared for it to grow larger than expected. MOST cases where dwarfs get huge is due to keepers buffing them up for breeding and causing them to grow to great sizes too fast. This does in fact stunt their life expectancy so you must also keep that in mind. You can have a jampea stay 9 ft its entire life and be very healthy and long lived, or you can grow that same snake to 14-16' and have it only live 6 years and probably only reproduce one season.

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You still have to be mindful of their feeding aggression. The super dwarf locales are also quite flighty and like to run off from you quick quick. My pure SD is quite a handful sometimes just because sitting still is not his thing. My 50% SD's are much more laid back but also get much larger to the 9-11ft range, while still staying quite thin - think between a BCC and Coastal Carpet Python. I believe there is a retic out there for everyone with our abilities to semi-gauge the size that the outcome will result in. As always though, it's never a guarantee that they will stay small. So buy from trusted keepers, check parental sizes / genetics, and be prepared for it to grow larger than expected. MOST cases where dwarfs get huge is due to keepers buffing them up for breeding and causing them to grow to great sizes too fast. This does in fact stunt their life expectancy so you must also keep that in mind. You can have a jampea stay 9 ft its entire life and be very healthy and long lived, or you can grow that same snake to 14-16' and have it only live 6 years and probably only reproduce one season.

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Thanks for the information and the logic behind what you're saying. I love the look and personality of retics but couple that with an animal that can attain the sizes they do and that's where my misgivings come in about getting one. My wife tolerates my snakes but isn't hands-on with them and since it would just be me working with and caring for the animal by myself, I wouldn't care to try and handle a 15+ foot animal with the speed and intelligence of a retic without someone to help should things go south, especially when feeding time came around. That's not to say a dwarf or super dwarf couldn't react the same way, just that the likelihood of it potentially becoming a life or death issue would be lessened with a somewhat smaller and hopefully more manageable animal. Kudos to you guys that keep them, as they are certainly amazing animals just not something I'd ever be comfortable keeping on my own and trying to manage solo. I know my limitations and have no desire to put an animal in danger/risk it being euthanized if something should happen or potentially give this hobby yet another black eye by overstepping my bounds/level of experience just so I could have one. The big animals like those are worthy of respect and they have mine, lol! Thanks again for the tips and things to consider, I'll certainly take them into account if I ever make the leap from ball pythons to something larger.

No worries. Just know before you buy and you'll be fine. All that being said super dwarf retics are really a pretty novice snake if you get good quality captive Bred animals. In all honesty many of the OG WC animals were what always gave them their bad reputation to the start. Especially for the super dwarfs which were normally considered fairly defensive and flighty which made them less appealing to most. The more breeders focus on captive breeding smaller and better retics the better the hobby is becoming to new keepers.

As far as dwarfs go just be careful of getting anything not specifically labeled as pure Jampea or similar and find out parent sizes when you can. The issue with dwarf is there are so may projects with mixed line going on that you need to ensure proper record keeping took place so you get an animal that may be 75% jampea vs 25% which is essentially a mainland animal! Anyone offering "pure dwarf" morphs are either working with very specific lines and morphs - genetic stripe is a dwarf mutation and Anery is found in super dwarf and Jampea. However, buy in large most morph come from the mainland counter parts thus giving them some % mainland attached.

Example my jampea purple is 50% jampea f2. My genetic stripe het albino is 62.5% seslayar which is another dwarf locale which genetic stripe originated in. However my albino het stripe is only 25% seslayar and 75% mainland so he is considered a full size tic. Make sense?

Okay so i have updates on the information about this little guy! So apparently as the previous owner told me, This "SANANA" sd is in fact a super dwarf sulawesi??? That doesnt make sense to me as sulawesis are considered amongst the biggest of retics if not the biggest! So apparently Sanana island is close to sulawesi and this SD population could of migrated there and adapted due to prey size and availability. Does anyone think this could make any sense whatsoever? The guy told me the snake is a good year and a half old and it is really small in size... he also told me its not gonna be like the smallest smallest retics but it will grow to be the size of a big boa... What do you guys think?

Again. I would not trust it. But if it has a sweet locale pattern and maybe a nice diffused back like most SD tend to go for it. Just be prepared for the size to potentially be very great. For what it's worth though. All locales originated from the mainland which Includes sulawesie