Patternless sheds??

I know ghost produce patternless sheds but are there any other morphs that produce patternless sheds?

Albinos...

Patternless snakes like BELs, some champs, etc.

Yup Albinos.... Looking at one of my girls sheds right now.... didnt even notice LOL

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Patternless snakes like BELs, some champs, etc.

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I ask because I have a seemingly normal looking and assumed normal BP she is rather dull but nothing real impressive she has an awesome pattern and some blushing to her but through 4 sheds now every one has had absolutely no pattern even put against a trace light I can find no pattern I know that to prove it out I would have to get a 100% het ghost or a ghost male but before spending the money on a recessive trait male I would like to know what the chances are that she may actually be a ghost I do know that occasionally any snake including a normal can produce a patternless shed once in a while but this is 4 consecutive sheds with no pattern, I am just leery of buying a recessive trait male that will produce nothing more than hets which is ok if its a possibility she may be a ghost and it doesn't prove oh well I will buy my intended mixed dominant and co dominant gene male for future breeding's.

Posting a picture would be a pretty quick way to find out if she's ghost or not...

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Posting a picture would be a pretty quick way to find out if she's ghost or not...

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These are from when I first got her and I will take new ones in a few days to compare with the shiny in some of the pictures is from the camera she doesnt shine at all.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/100_0528.jpg
this is her with a definite normal she is the one near the top
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/together.jpg
this one of her belly and side shows a lil better the dark browns that look black in most of the other pictures
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/100_0524.jpg
another side and head shot
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/100_0523.jpg
this one was taken with the day after a fresh shed
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/3/mine_2.jpg

hope these help like I said I can get you fresh pictures tomorrow after I get off work she ate last night so don't want to disturb her today

Not a hypo...could be a het, but then you'd need to buy that male to find out anyway.

Randy Remington(member here) can tell you something about het hypos and clear sheds though.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Not a hypo...could be a het, but then you'd need to buy that male to find out anyway.

Randy Remington(member here) can tell you something about het hypos and clear sheds though.

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So it is possible that she may be a het Ghost and that is why she is continually producing clear sheds? If I where to get a male that is dominant co dominant visible morph and carried het hypo would it be possible to prove it our that way or only with the single gene? As you can see from her size I am a few years away from breeding her but I would like to potentially buy a 2013 hatch-ling to raise to breed with her so I am planning early.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lady Kat

So it is possible that she may be a het Ghost and that is why she is continually producing clear sheds?

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Sure it's possible...likely or not, I can't say. Who knows how many hets and poss hets have leaked through the cracks and get passed off time and time again. I haven't seen a het hypo shed clear yet, but some say they have...I've just really not payed much attention, as I've only purchased and produced 100% hets.

And yes, any male, visual or het for ghost would work.

Our KillerBee sheds are clear. Or atleast the last couple since I first noticed it.
And to prove her as Het Ghost you could use any male that is atleast het Hypo, but I would recommend using a visual male. It will make it more likely to prove or disprove in only a couple of breedings and you are quaranteed that all the hatchlings will be atleast 100% Het Ghost.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Ball pythons don't seem to read the books where we made up the cut and dry line between recessive and co-dominant (or incomplete dominant some say). In my experience both pied and hypo are "recessive with co-dominant tendencies". I've proven 3 possible het pieds (two of them only 25%) and two possible het hypos all picked on pretty clear markers. I'm not saying its 100% but it can be very useful when picking from a clutch of possible hets. I'll try to get a picture of my het hypo female in glow today as she is always light but in pre-lay glow she looks like a ghost. Some het hypo's even shed clear like homozygous hypos.

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Here is what I had mentioned earlier...from another thread....with no background on the snake, really can't say much, but you could get lucky.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Sure it's possible...likely or not, I can't say. Who knows how many hets and poss hets have leaked through the cracks and get passed off time and time again. I haven't seen a het hypo shed clear yet, but some say they have...I've just really not payed much attention, as I've only purchased and produced 100% hets.

And yes, any male, visual or het for ghost would work.

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I didn't think anything of it until after her second shed and she was still just as dull as the day I got her and I know that the visual on some ghost isn't the greatest and began wondering if someone hadn't tossed her int he normal pile not thinking anything else about it granted this would likely only happen with a novice breeder and not seasoned and experienced breeders well versed in morphs but I know anything is possible I just figured it was worth looking into more.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Not a hypo...could be a het, but then you'd need to buy that male to find out anyway.

Randy Remington(member here) can tell you something about het hypos and clear sheds though.

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Here are some images of known hypo/ghost that have the darker coloration which are what I looked for to compare her to as you can see in 3 of the 4 they are much darker than standard hypo's but they all come from proven lines examples like these are what make me think that a novice would have tossed her in as a normal their markings on the darker three are very subtle or am I missing something in the comparison that you as a more seasoned BP breeder could point out to me

http://www.a1pythons.com/curav1/2012...2/IMG_5908.jpg

http://www.a1pythons.com/curav1/2012...2/IMG_5906.jpg
http://davegreenreptiles.com/wp-cont...206ghostfe.jpg
this one is considered green hypo
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...green-hypo.jpg

the green ghost are the ones that look closer to my girl than any of them

Hypos have a lot of reduced black pigment. The heads are extremely faded, and it continues down the body. They're really intense in coloration when they hatch, and get lighter with age. Here's the picture you posted, I just circled areas of the reduced black on it's head/neck and going down it's back. As it grows and the pattern stretches, these reduced spots will be much more obvious.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...psbb6b7b0d.png

Here's my 100% het hypo, she's a 2012 hatchling and you can see the het markers on her.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ps086cc47d.jpg
I'm going to have to check her next shed to see if it has color :) She shed just after I picked her up last month.

Here is my 2011 hypo(orange ghost) male. He looks "faded" compaired to my female and shed's clear
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...fly/027-19.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wyldrose

Here's my 100% het hypo, she's a 2012 hatchling and you can see the het markers on her.

I'm going to have to check her next shed to see if it has color :) She shed just after I picked her up last month.

Here is my 2011 hypo(orange ghost) male. He looks "faded" compaired to my female and shed's clear

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ok I am pretty new to morphs and genetic markers so what exactly is a het marker you mentioned in the photos?