Why do breeders help you?

I was asking myself why BP breeders usually are very willing to help you with your breeding projects. Wouldnt somebody who is breeding snakes with the intention of selling them be considered competition?

selling morphs is usually a breeders market. you wont usually see the average joe dropping a grand on a snake. its the breeders that do. people in the hobby. if you're getting started up at breeding, you're going to be buying a lot of snakes.

They are generally about 5 steps ahead of you on the advice they are giving. They are looking at 4/5/6 gene combos and recessive morph projects. They are more than willing to help you out producing those 2/3 gene bp's.

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Originally Posted by creepin

selling morphs is usually a breeders market. you wont usually see the average joe dropping a grand on a snake. its the breeders that do. people in the hobby. if you're getting started up at breeding, you're going to be buying a lot of snakes.

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This ^^^^^

Breeders sell to breeders, with the rare pet sale where someone wanted a high end pet. It's a tight knit community, why not help each other?

I have been astounded by the care and closeness of this community. Sure, there are always bad apples, but I have seen breeders come together to help out other breeders in times of need. We do auctions to help those that are hurt or when something else tragic has happened. We defend the good guys and gang up on the bad.

We all have each others' back!

Bottom Line is this:

It's not all about the money.

I have more fun at the shows and thru e-mails talking to people than I do selling. Sure, money is great and exciting to have, but talking to like-minded people about things you both enjoy always makes for an entertaining and enlightening experience.

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Originally Posted by Zombie

This ^^^^^

Breeders sell to breeders, with the rare pet sale where someone wanted a high end pet. It's a tight knit community, why not help each other?

I have been astounded by the care and closeness of this community. Sure, there are always bad apples, but I have seen breeders come together to help out other breeders in times of need. We do auctions to help those that are hurt or when something else tragic has happened. We defend the good guys and gang up on the bad.

We all have each others' back!

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Exactly. Perhaps many years ago, it was extremely competitive, and apparently a lot of back-stabbing went down. Nowadays it seems more of a hobby than a prospect. Remember, the folks who breed these reptiles first have a passion for keeping, raising, and breeding them. If they didn't care about the cool animals, they wouldn't bother helping anyone. The Bp.net community is definitely a good example of big breeders and newbie keepers coming together to ensure that good practice and knowledge is being spread in a friendly way. Not everyone will be friendly, as stated by Zombie :P. The majority of the posters are eager to help though :gj:.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Bottom Line is this:

It's not all about the money.

I have more fun at the shows and thru e-mails talking to people than I do selling. Sure, money is great and exciting to have, but talking to like-minded people about things you both enjoy always makes for an entertaining and enlightening experience.

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This is almost exactly what I was going to say. When I go to shows and I'm looking at animals I'm interested in buying, I start a conversation with the breeder. If that breeder is willing to give me five minutes of time just talking about potential projects, what I currently have in my collection, etc., I know that breeder is there because they have a passion for the animals, not just the almighty dollar. There are some big name breeders in the business, but I think if you go to reptile shows, you'll find that a growing number of "breeders" are just hobbyists who are using the shows as a venue to discuss their hobby, their passion, with other like-minded people.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Bottom Line is this:

It's not all about the money.

I have more fun at the shows and thru e-mails talking to people than I do selling. Sure, money is great and exciting to have, but talking to like-minded people about things you both enjoy always makes for an entertaining and enlightening experience.

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^This^

Money is not everything for me either.

Over the years I have made some great friends whether they are customers, breeders or people I have helped.

If tomorrow it all stopped those are the things that would remain.

I also see this as a pay it forward, I have been mentored and I pay it forward by helping people who need help....sharing you passion only helps this hobby grows.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Bottom Line is this:

It's not all about the money.

I have more fun at the shows and thru e-mails talking to people than I do selling. Sure, money is great and exciting to have, but talking to like-minded people about things you both enjoy always makes for an entertaining and enlightening experience.

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^^ Exactly!

I love going to shows even if I am not looking to buy anything. Everyone is usually quite enthusiastic and willing to talk all day. Just think, when you go to a show we are in a room full of like-minded reptile keepers. I don't have anyone but my wife to talk to about snakes so I love having a bunch of people with a common interest at the same place.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

This is almost exactly what I was going to say. When I go to shows and I'm looking at animals I'm interested in buying, I start a conversation with the breeder. If that breeder is willing to give me five minutes of time just talking about potential projects, what I currently have in my collection, etc., I know that breeder is there because they have a passion for the animals, not just the almighty dollar. There are some big name breeders in the business, but I think if you go to reptile shows, you'll find that a growing number of "breeders" are just hobbyists who are using the shows as a venue to discuss their hobby, their passion, with other like-minded people.

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Totally!! Heather and Tim were always busy talking to folks, and answering random questions. Seems like so much fun since I enjoy answering questions and helping people out :gj:. They always make time to say what's up, and talk about what they're excited about, it's awesome! Oh crap that reminds me, I have to post the reptile expo pictures O_O;.. Lots of awesome stuff, including an update picture of the vanilla cream spider that Scott Austin hatched!

Because if you do well, the breeders do well.

I think this question can be viewed on a multitude of different levels. I help people for many reasons. The first is because I'm passionate about what I do. I love talking about my own projects and helping people figure out the best way to accomplish theirs. On the other side of the coin I also do it for my business. Are you more inclined to buy something from a random person because they have a cheap snake or from someone you've begun to develop a working relationship with? In my lengthy experiences selling high dollar items my best customers were the ones that I had developed meaningful relationships with. The big movement right now with business advancement is Customer Relationship Management (CRM). Gone are the days of using a brand image to sell product. In today's competitive market there is always someone offering a better price or product. That's where relationships begin to be a differentiator. My customers put more value on my knowledge, passion, and honesty over prices. Value is perceived by the customer. If I can help them perceive that my animals and I are valuable then I have a better chance to earn their business. Couple the above aspects with quality animals and you are well on your way to building a business. It doesn't happen overnight and it doesn't happen without effort but to be successful it takes dedication, passion, and a commitment to your customers. If you can accomplish that and establish a relationship (beneficial for both parties defines a real relationship) you will make friends and customers. I like to think of myself as a full service operation, not just a grab-and-go Pricemart.

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

This is almost exactly what I was going to say. When I go to shows and I'm looking at animals I'm interested in buying, I start a conversation with the breeder. If that breeder is willing to give me five minutes of time just talking about potential projects, what I currently have in my collection, etc., I know that breeder is there because they have a passion for the animals, not just the almighty dollar. There are some big name breeders in the business, but I think if you go to reptile shows, you'll find that a growing number of "breeders" are just hobbyists who are using the shows as a venue to discuss their hobby, their passion, with other like-minded people.

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This was exactly my experience yesterday at the Pomona show. :)
Everyone seemed so willing to chat, just chat. They had their animals up for sale, but they weren't trying to pressure a sale, they wanted to know what animals I had, how long I've had them, and how things are going. They wanted to chat about what I was interested in, experiences, etc. It was great! I didn't actually buy any snakes (husband did buy a bearded dragon though), but it was great seeing all the animals there and chatting with like minded people!

It's a passion first

I have found that, especially with local breeders, it is better to have a friend in the hobby than a strict business transaction. I certainly don't mind helping someone out, you never know when you might need a little help yourself.

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Originally Posted by aldebono

I have found that, especially with local breeders, it is better to have a friend in the hobby than a strict business transaction. I certainly don't mind helping someone out, you never know when you might need a little help yourself.

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x2. what goes around comes around.

For me, this has been my experience.

When I got my first two ball pythons as rescues, I knew very little. I got over my head quickly and after a while, I had to admit it was too much for me and gave the snakes to someone with more experience. Then a few years later, when I knew I wanted back in to ball pythons, I decided to go about things the right way. I began to research their care, and realized how little I knew. I found this forum very soon, and of course it contained a wealth of information. It also had a lot of people with a lot more experience than me. To my surprise, most of these people were very willing to share their knowledge and experience with me, and help me to be a better keeper from the beginning.

Of course, being a keeper and pet owner is one thing, but breeding is another game altogether. It took a while before I thought I was ready to take that step, and once again I found many people here and also at the shows I now frequented who were very willing to help me. I was surprised at first, but then I came to realize most of the people I talked to had a genuine passion for these snakes, and they recognized when someone else had it to. By asking intelligent questions and then listening to the answers, I made many friends who are breeders, and now I have gotten to a place where I am able to share my knowledge, as limited as it may be compared to many, with others who are where I was a few years ago.

So I think what a lot of it comes down to is people who genuinely care about these snakes, and who enjoy teaching others to care about them as well.

Gale

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Bottom Line is this:

It's not all about the money.

I have more fun at the shows and thru e-mails talking to people than I do selling. Sure, money is great and exciting to have, but talking to like-minded people about things you both enjoy always makes for an entertaining and enlightening experience.

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I agree with this for sure. It is one of the major misunderstandings of people who run businesses. People for the most part are trying to achieve happiness not profit in and of itself. Happiness is the one thing we do by itself and not in order to do something else. It seems to be human lifes goal.

I am always interested in the welfare of the animals involved. The more people know, the healthier and more content their animals will be. I will never be so competitive that I would withhold information that could improve the life of a captive animal.

Okay, where to start?? Everyone I thanked has pretty much taken all of the words out of my mouth other than:

"We are cool like that":cool::cool::D

At the Pomona show, a girl in her late teens or early 20s approached my tablemate and asked if he could explain what het and the percentages meant. She had a notebook and wanted him to write it down so she could study it. My tablemate wasn't sure where to start so I grabbed it from him and spent the next 10 minutes or so scribbling the terms and doodling a punett square. When she returned, she was so thankful that she wanted to pay for the notes which we denied of course. Sure we could have turned her around and told her to google things but seeing someone get excited about something you're passionate about, that blossoming interest... it's worth more than money. We all started somewhere and was in her position at one time or another... wouldn't you want someone to help you too?

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Originally Posted by insangelic

At the Pomona show, a girl in her late teens or early 20s approached my tablemate and asked if he could explain what het and the percentages meant. She had a notebook and wanted him to write it down so she could study it. My tablemate wasn't sure where to start so I grabbed it from him and spent the next 10 minutes or so scribbling the terms and doodling a punett square. When she returned, she was so thankful that she wanted to pay for the notes which we denied of course. Sure we could have turned her around and told her to google things but seeing someone get excited about something you're passionate about, that blossoming interest... it's worth more than money. We all started somewhere and was in her position at one time or another... wouldn't you want someone to help you too?

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Ha! I love that!! Wish I had seen that :P. I agree - that's just fun.. It's not work when you're answering questions to people who honestly want to learn as much as they can. As Heather said, it's awesome talking to people who share the same interest.