Heartbroken :(

My bumblebee, Rio, all of the sudden overnight developed a bad wobble. Ever since I got him he barely had a wobble, just a tiny head shake like he's shivering. A couple nights ago he was doing full spirals and trying to slither around upside down which I had never seen him do before. It's heartbreaking to watch. I guess the good news is that he only does this when he's in his cage. It's almost as if he's completely fine when he's out of his cage...he's never liked being in his cage though. He prefers to come out lol I still love him to pieces though.

Wobble happens. I have a spider that seems perfectly normal until I offer him food. Then the corkscrew begins. He still eats fine, and I still love him.

Yeah, I knew that it could possibly get worse. It's just hard to watch :( and then i take him out and he's perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by CaGirl5

Yeah, I knew that it could possibly get worse. It's just hard to watch :( and then i take him out and he's perfectly fine.

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Yea i heard tat spiders and spider combos have it and the snake may seem fine for months before it shows up. I guess i will find out too because my spider male will arrive on friday

I've got a wobbly corkscrew of a Spider Mojave named TWEAK. Got him at a steal of a price because of it and I don't regret it. Don't let it get you down as long as RIO is still eating and his attitude hasn't changed. I've also got a young spider who(crosses fingers) has in 3 months not shown a single wobble, corkscrew, or stargaze. Maybe he'll stay that way, maybe he wont. Either way I love him to death because he is my first morph.

Why would you be heartbroken?

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All spiders wobble, the degree of wobble often changes over time. I have a spider whom seems to wobble less than he did when he arrived and I expect that it will become worse someday. It is part of the spider gene I know many whom refuse to buy spider combos due to it. It is something you should be prepared for, yes it is sad when it changes but I do hope it wasn't unexpected?

I'm sorry but you shouldn't feel heart broken. As far as we know he isn't in pain and is just doing normal everyday things. To him wobbling is normal and every other ball is weird. It's just a spider thing. Personally I think its cute. Lol.

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Here is a vid of my little bee wobblin.
http://http://youtu.be/jPb_jKimg7Q

She eats and poos fine so I'm not too worried.


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I'm literally watching mine do it in his tank right now. He tends to do it when he wants to be taken out of his tank. He eats perfect and seems perfectly happy. Next to my pinstripe (who comes out of his tank directly onto my hand), he's the nicest most calm snake I have. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.

One of my 3 Spider genes snakes has a noticeable wobble. She is a weirdo, but functions otherwise just fine.

no need to be heart broken over this :D .. the snakes are still perfectly healthy, they just love to "dance" .. i call it dancing :) .. they sure got the moves, especially a bumblebee female of mine (best eater I got and a real w-h-o-r-e if you don't mind the harsh language - bread with 2 of my males in 2 days :D)

You might watch the language. This is a family friendly site, and you could get infractions for language like that.

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I hatched out a little het pied male. I had a temp spike just after he pipped his egg, and while the rest of his clutch seemed off for a little while, they got better quickly. This little guy tore my heart to watch him. He literally tied himself into knots. His body would flatten, and he'd be inside out and upside down forwards and backwards all at the same time. It made me sick to look at him.

However, he shed out just like the others, so I decided I'd try feeding him. Striking a mouse was out of the question, he couldn't possibly co-ordinate enough to even track, let alone strike. So I patiently untangled him as best I could and placed a mouse pinky in his mouth. Only to discover swallowing was impossible as well. So I gently slid the mouse down to his stomach and waited to see what would happen. He digested just fine and was able to defecate normally. But to watch him was horrific and painful. I have no idea why I didn't put him down. I had to put the food down into his stomach each time I fed him. But he continued to eat and defecate, and he shed just fine. And still I just hurt inside to watch him. I knew he'd never live a normal life, and he should be put down. But I didn't do it.

Then when he was about 6 weeks old, I finally decided to put him down. He'd never be normal. I had put another mouse fuzzy in his tub, and was changing his water and thinking of what needed to be done. All of a sudden, my husband makes a noise and then starts to laugh. I poked my head out of the bathroom to see what was so funny. My little pretzel boy had managed to strike and wrap that fuzzy all on his own. And more than that, he then ate it on his own as well. I couldn't believe it. I had been telling myself he was getting better, but I had thought it was wishful thinking. The following week, he struck, coiled and ate all by himself again. And lo and behold he'd not as twisty anymore, either. So for now, he's just going to stay here with me, and I will watch how he grows and changes. Perhaps one day, he'll find a very special home of his own.

I guess I am rambling on because I know what you are going through, but don't ever count these little guys out, they may just surprise you.

Gale

I think I was just shocked when I saw it for the first time. Of course, I had researched it before and I knew everything about it... It's just different to see it in person happening to your own snake. But I realized, he's still the sweetest snake and the happiest snake in the world and the wobble changes nothing. I was just a little sad to see it at first.

And after watching some other snakes wobble, it's not that bad at all so I'm feeling better :)

I love this snake to death! That's all :)

Does anybody else find it bizarre that the snake only corkscrews in his cage? Any chance the cage is too hot?

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

Does anybody else find it bizarre that the snake only corkscrews in his cage? Any chance the cage is too hot?

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Does anybody else find it bizarre that the snake only corkscrews in his cage? Any chance the cage is too hot?

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Hot side is 87. Cold side is 77. Ambient is 83. Humidity doesn't get below 50.

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Originally Posted by CaGirl5

I think I was just shocked when I saw it for the first time. Of course, I had researched it before and I knew everything about it... It's just different to see it in person happening to your own snake. But I realized, he's still the sweetest snake and the happiest snake in the world and the wobble changes nothing. I was just a little sad to see it at first.

And after watching some other snakes wobble, it's not that bad at all so I'm feeling better :)

I love this snake to death! That's all :)

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I admit, watching my spider boy corkscrew and go wild used to make me anxious and worried. It really bothered me because I felt like he was struggling. After a while it bothered me less. He ate on his own, but had trouble finding the rodent. He missed more than my other snakes, but he's been a great feeder.

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Does anybody else find it bizarre that the snake only corkscrews in his cage? Any chance the cage is too hot?

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My spider and killerbee will wobble when I'm trying to take pictures of them on a cold piece of melamine. I haven't really messed with the stingerbee, but he has done it once or twice after I wake him up for a cleaning. I don't think temperature is the cause for the wobble. My next guess would be hunger, but I don't think they get hungry when you keep them fed every week.. Stress maybe? Or maybe it really is just a motor defect, and they simply have trouble moving forward in the direction they choose o_O..

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I admit, watching my spider boy corkscrew and go wild used to make me anxious and worried. It really bothered me because I felt like he was struggling. After a while it bothered me less. He ate on his own, but had trouble finding the rodent. He missed more than my other snakes, but he's been a great feeder.



My spider and killerbee will wobble when I'm trying to take pictures of them on a cold piece of melamine. I haven't really messed with the stingerbee, but he has done it once or twice after I wake him up for a cleaning. I don't think temperature is the cause for the wobble. My next guess would be hunger, but I don't think they get hungry when you keep them fed every week.. Stress maybe? Or maybe it really is just a motor defect, and they simply have trouble moving forward in the direction they choose o_O..

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He's fine when he's on the ground but as soon as he tries to slither up the sides of his cage, it seems as he becomes really wobbly and then he starts flipping around like a weirdo. I don't think it has anything to do with temp or hunger. I definitely seems to be motor defect type of thing.

My Spider wobbles worse when hungry, but after feeding the wobble reduces and nearly disappears. As she seems to only become active when ready for a feed, perhaps her increased activity causes symptoms to increase. I just know that when well fed she shows near-normal behavior, just a bit skittish. I also wonder if eyesight has something to do with it, she seems to have trouble focusing on prey until they are very close, and blind(ish) animals can have orientation issues; something to think about at least.
I'm just happy she is quite healthy and a good eater otherwise.

What does his cage look like? Kinda weird that he doesn't wobble when he is out of his cage. Are there easily defined walls, floor and ceiling?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80...3E05A657B9.jpg

Nothing in his cage has been changed.

What substrate is that? Pine shavings?:confusd: I'm assuming you know better than to use pine, but thought I would ask. Nice collection BTW; is that your sulcata in the avatar pic?

Aspen.

and no, both my sulcatas are only 400 grams :)
The avatar pic was taken at the Reptile Gardens in South Dakota.. its a Aldabra I believe.

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Wobble happens. I have a spider that seems perfectly normal until I offer him food. Then the corkscrew begins. He still eats fine, and I still love him.

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The same thing happens with my spider. She looks so pitiful and retarded at the same time, yet normal when being held!