Affordable morphs

Which morphs are the least expensive to produce? Im talking about average price of the parents that produce very nice babies.

Cinnamons are really nice...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Cinnamons are really nice...

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Lol. Coming right from the cinny king! But yes they are!


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Pastels
Spiders
Fire
Yellowbelly
Mojave
Lesser/Butter
Black Pastel


Combining any of these together has the potential for some great babies.

Remember that the quality of the snakes genetics are nearly as important as what morph they are.

A nice Pastel female and a nice male
Fire

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

Pastels
Spiders
Fire
Yellowbelly
Mojave
Lesser/Butter
Black Pastel


Combining any of these together has the potential for some great babies.

Remember that the quality of the snakes genetics are nearly as important as what morph they are.

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Thanks. I want to get into breeding but just for fun. Mostly just to produce my own morphs for my personal collection. Even if i could buy them i want to produce my own just for fun. Im still going to end up buying some anyway tho.

Honestly id probably buy a fire male and a yellowbelly female and make fire yb's. theyre hottttt.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Honestly id probably buy a fire male and a yellowbelly female and make fire yb's. theyre hottttt.

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My spider male is arriving next friday. I wanted to see what i could make with that. I heard the spider gene makes great stuff. But im open to suggestions to other things. Like i said before I want to get into breeding for fun and to produce cool snakes for my collection. I dont plan to breed for about a year or more but i wanted input on getting the ingredients for cool morphs

How many are you wanting to start your collection with?
If you are getting a spider male I would get a couple girls...............
pastel=bee
cinny= cinabee
pinstripe= spinner


and for a long term I would get an Orange Ghost (hypo) and hope for a male spider out of that clutch to hold back and breed back to mom for the HONEYBEE :cool:

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Cinnamons are really nice...

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Lol surprise there

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

How many are you wanting to start your collection with?
If you are getting a spider male I would get a couple girls...............
pastel=bee
cinny= cinabee
pinstripe= spinner


and for a long term I would get an Orange Ghost (hypo) and hope for a male spider out of that clutch to hold back and breed back to mom for the HONEYBEE :cool:

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Thanks for the info. I want to start small (about 6 snakes) and then move on from there. And im looking at both short term morphs as well as long term because my love for BPs is definitely for life.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

Thanks for the info. I want to start small (about 6 snakes) and then move on from there.

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I said that too, now a little over two years and up to 32 on hand.

I also have a normal male. I dont know if he can help at all but he is ready.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I said that too, now a little over two years and up to 32 on hand.

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Ha! I kinda already feel thats wats gonna happen to me.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I said that too, now a little over two years and up to 32 on hand.

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I said i only wanted a couple... Im up to 8... Lmao!

I just want 2 females for my 2 males. A pastel and a mystic. Someday I'll hit that spider mystic potion. So far it's only been done by one person. And my Spider Mojave male was bought from that very guy.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

How many are you wanting to start your collection with?
If you are getting a spider male I would get a couple girls...............
pastel=bee
cinny= cinabee
pinstripe= spinner


and for a long term I would get an Orange Ghost (hypo) and hope for a male spider out of that clutch to hold back and breed back to mom for the HONEYBEE :cool:

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I definitely second hypos as a nice recessive morph to work with. :D

Hypo cinnamons are pretty nice... Same with hypo pewters!

I like the lesser/butter morph... I think they're colors are nice and patterns can be amazing :)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Hypo cinnamons are pretty nice... Same with hypo pewters!

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you should just say any form of cinnamon is pretty :)

I like the spider gene. Bumble bee and cinna bees are nice.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

I like the spider gene. Bumble bee and cinna bees are nice.

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You like spider gene? Aah yea, here's my bee-
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/ymu3a2us.jpg

And you gotta check out stinger bee's!

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Gerardo, some things to consider:

From a strictly financial position, it's difficult to come anywhere close to breaking even on the costs of keeping your animals if you are breeding the most common morphs.

Keeping a single snake is pretty affordable.

Keeping six is considerably more expensive, with six times as many chances for vet bills.

Breeding is even more expensive.

Here is the thought process you should have when thinking about getting more than one ball python with the intention of breeding: Thermostats, housing, feeding, electricity bills all add up fast, and when you can only spend, for example, $200 on a snake, how are you going to afford to buy that $100 thermostat? How about the $50 shipping on bulk feeders? A single adult ball python could run $50-100 a year on feeding alone. A pair of $200/ea hatchlings may have the traits to potentially produce offspring that could run $500 today, but two or more years out and that value will shrink considerably. Two years out, a couple hundred dollars on feeders, who knows how much on heating, housing costs, substrate, vet bill, thermostats, incubator... and then you produce a clutch of 4 nice eggs. Maybe you hit the odds exactly even, one nice snake, one normal, two "average". Then you need housing and food for the hatchlings, and maybe you attempt to sell them. Maybe you keep one back. What have you gained? What have you lost? Was it worth it?

We all support keeping snakes as a hobby, breeding for fun, striving for profit, and building the community. However, when someone comes looking for the least expensive morphs and expresses a desire to breed, I feel its worth adding a few words of caution regarding the costs of all this. When people are looking at a tight budget and are looking for the "least expensive morphs", it usually means there is a tight budget, and I just want to encourage you to do the math to make sure that any project you pursue is the right one for you :D

Stick around. Don't buy anything soon. Take your time. I bought a home for my current pair of ball pythons 6 months before it got filled, and I would have waited another 6 if I hadn't been lucky enough to find the right ones to fill it.

I will say that I have spent plenty of cash on keeping, raising, and breeding crested geckos. I haven't come anywhere close to breaking even and I don't care. I keep them for entertainment purposes, and get great pleasure out of hatching out babies, raising them up for a number of months, and giving them away to caring homes. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same with ball pythons, just know what you are getting yourself into.

As to your question of what morphs are affordable, the answer is: LOTS. Stick around, browse, and find what you like. I could rattle off "pastel, spider, cinnamon, fire, yellowbelly..etc", but there are so many morphs around these days and prices have fluctuated so much that I don't even know whether or not to include piebalds in any list I would give. Ball pythons are a real morph extravaganza at this time.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

You like spider gene? Aah yea, here's my bee-
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/ymu3a2us.jpg

And you gotta check out stinger bee's!

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Damn your lucky. That snake looks gorgeous.

^ x2 from what mainbutter said

But if you like bees, I'd find a super clean pastel female for your incoming spider male.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Gerardo, some things to consider:

From a strictly financial position, it's difficult to come anywhere close to breaking even on the costs of keeping your animals if you are breeding the most common morphs.

Keeping a single snake is pretty affordable.

Keeping six is considerably more expensive, with six times as many chances for vet bills.

Breeding is even more expensive.

Here is the thought process you should have when thinking about getting more than one ball python with the intention of breeding: Thermostats, housing, feeding, electricity bills all add up fast, and when you can only spend, for example, $200 on a snake, how are you going to afford to buy that $100 thermostat? How about the $50 shipping on bulk feeders? A single adult ball python could run $50-100 a year on feeding alone. A pair of $200/ea hatchlings may have the traits to potentially produce offspring that could run $500 today, but two or more years out and that value will shrink considerably. Two years out, a couple hundred dollars on feeders, who knows how much on heating, housing costs, substrate, vet bill, thermostats, incubator... and then you produce a clutch of 4 nice eggs. Maybe you hit the odds exactly even, one nice snake, one normal, two "average". Then you need housing and food for the hatchlings, and maybe you attempt to sell them. Maybe you keep one back. What have you gained? What have you lost? Was it worth it?

We all support keeping snakes as a hobby, breeding for fun, striving for profit, and building the community. However, when someone comes looking for the least expensive morphs and expresses a desire to breed, I feel its worth adding a few words of caution regarding the costs of all this. When people are looking at a tight budget and are looking for the "least expensive morphs", it usually means there is a tight budget, and I just want to encourage you to do the math to make sure that any project you pursue is the right one for you :D

Stick around. Don't buy anything soon. Take your time. I bought a home for my current pair of ball pythons 6 months before it got filled, and I would have waited another 6 if I hadn't been lucky enough to find the right ones to fill it.

I will say that I have spent plenty of cash on keeping, raising, and breeding crested geckos. I haven't come anywhere close to breaking even and I don't care. I keep them for entertainment purposes, and get great pleasure out of hatching out babies, raising them up for a number of months, and giving them away to caring homes. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same with ball pythons, just know what you are getting yourself into.

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I want the least expensive morphs because I want to start from the bottom up. I guess i should have worded it differently. But thanks for the concern and you are right about vet bills and all that. Thats why i am going to wait at LEAST a year before i actually try to breed anything. That will give me time to save up for all things necessary. I just wanted opinions on what base morphs produce nice babies.

I would say the least expensive is the Pastel ball

I would get an albino female or an axanthic female if you want a long term project with the male spider. They are both recessive, so you'd have to breed the spider to the female, hopefully get a male spider het albino/axanthic, then breed back to the parent to get an albino spider or an axanthic spider. Those would cost you a bit more to purchase, but I think they are pretty awesome looking. You could probably get either in the $300-400 range, so that's fairly affordable compared to all of the costs of keeping/breeding...