Bad news

You would think that this breeder would have put out a plea for help before just letting the animals die. Sure doesn't give us a very good reputation.

http://www.inquisitr.com/440912/over...rnia-business/

Wow this is terrible so irresponsible I wonder how Peta found out about this and reported it.

Ok dumb question, I breed my own rats on a large scale and to say that there were 700 dead rodents out of 10,000 isn't uncommon, to put it into perspective that one dead rat for every 15 live ones on that one week. Or basically 1 per three tubs, Like my friend Kara always tells me the more you have the more you see..So my question was how may of those 700 were frozen thawed??

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Ok dumb question, I breed my own rats on a large scale and to say that there were 700 dead rodents out of 10,000 isn't uncommon, to put it into perspective that one dead rat for every 15 live ones on that one week. Or basically 1 per three tubs, Like my friend Kara always tells me the more you have the more you see..So my question was how may of those 700 were frozen thawed??

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Good question some of those 700 in all likely hood are frozen thawed.

This clown, mitch behm, is a trust-fund baby. He's been throwing his money and ignorance around for about 5 years. My guess is, since he never got his hands dirty himself, is that he finally pissed off his employees to the point that they quit and when it came to him actually having to work, he ran away. He's been a big mouthed coward from the day he announced to the reptile world that he was going to change the way things were done.

Basically, he's so full of crap that his eyes are brown.

My guess, knowing him as I do, is that he was bragging about how great he was and somehow managed to come to the attention of peta. He was ALWAYS an easy mark and I'm sure they worked him, stroking his overblown ego with compliments while they recorded what they wanted the world to see.

The guy is an egomainical turd and while it's a darn shame the animals were treated that way, it's also a great day for those who keep them properly since he is, hopefully, once and for all, out of the reptile game.

I'm not standing up for this company because I don't have a clue as to what animal control walked into. But I had the same thought as what you all have said. How many of those were found in the freezer? I know that I maintain a rat colony of about 50 breeders and I've got probably that many in the freezer. I'd like to know out of 700 dead animals how many were snakes? I have heard several breeders that will put unhealthy or lame snakes in the freezer also. Especially if they are breeding wc species that eat other snakes. Idk but I'd more info on the subject before I get horrified about the issue. It is concerning though.

My first thought it that they specifically lumped the 'dead rodents and snakes' together. So since PETA is involved, it's probably a case of a ton of FT rodents and some FT snakes and some dead snakes in the freezer. Add in a few dead rodents, because no matter how well the rodents are cared for, there will be dead rodents occasionally, and with 10K rodents, that's a lot of possible dead. That's of course ASSUMING that the dead count wasn't all FT feeders in the freezer or being thawed too.

Right now I would guess that I have half a dozen snakes in my freezer and probably 50+ rodents and I have snakes and rodent breeders. So I guess I'd look about the same if PETA raided me and the press printed up a nice article on PETA's word.

Maybe the owner of the place is a big old jerk and all, but that doesn't mean he's actually guilty of having a deathhouse of neglected animals either.

And it gets worse: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/la...9cc4b41bc.html

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Uggh.. Thanks for updating.

I was just reading some bad guy threads on BOI about global captive breeders . . . People on the list were threatening to call out authorities, this may be what triggered everything :colbert: One person on BOI recently, also said they wanted to contact PETA after receiving a sick animal? Perhaps they've been snooping on the BOI and decided to investigate. Either way, not good for the community, and possibly a push for new laws to govern breeders by :tears:

I just heard about this yesterday from a couple coworkers. I personally have never been to this store, but one of my coworkers has a close family member who had. It was so bad, she went there a handful of times then never went back, choosing instead to drive 30-40 minutes away for her needs. Apparently the store was pretty nasty, and went well beyond a matter of f/t animals waiting to be eaten.

While I do not like PETA, and I feel they are generally full of cow poopy. I have been told by many people that know of global captive breeders that they are bad news. It just bugs me that some bad seeds in this industry can do sooo much harm :mad: . I am sure this is going to spark some more really bad things for us...


Here is a link to the PETA video showing some heartbreaking stuff in the facility. WARNING it is GRAPHIC http://youtu.be/c1lmEJkXwqw

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While I do not like PETA, and I feel they are generally full of cow poopy. I have been told by many people that know of global captive breeders that they are bad news. It just bugs me that some bad seeds in this industry can do sooo much harm :mad: . I am sure this is going to spark some more really bad things for us...


Here is a link to the PETA video showing some heartbreaking stuff in the facility. WARNING it is GRAPHIC http://youtu.be/c1lmEJkXwqw

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You're right, very graphic video. This is sickening. I really don't understand how anyone could let their animals get in that condition.

i don't even know what to write:(,horrible and heartbreaking

Tears me up inside. It's just atrocious.

At first I was like most, thinking PETA was blowing it out of proportion and most of the "deceased" animals were frozen rat feeders. But after watching that video...

over 18k rodents and 600-700 reptiles....a large portion of both dead/dying/very sick....PETA and the local government ...its my understanding...put THEM ALL down....

I can't believe people can do this kind of stuff. I couldn't even watch the whole video. While I'm not happy all those animals had to be put down, I think it was the best possible solution. How many of them had diseases that could be spread to other animals. I really hope those people go to prison for a while.

Disgusting. I couldn't watch the entire video. What they did was so inhumane, it was unbelievable that someone allowed this to happen. Even the feeder rats does not deserve that kind of treatment! I hope the owner goes to jail!

This isnt a reptile breeder specific situation both thankfully and sadly. Puppy farms and hoarding is an issue of anything kept in captivity and bred. These situations are deplorable and every level or negative you can think of. Regulation on these things makes sense but is very difficult to enforce. Thankfully for these animals they were found and though they were put down at least the suffering is over.

^ Exactaly. Seems this guy was running his "breeding" like a puppy mill. It saddens me a great deal to see that video:(. I hope he pays for what he did and not the community!! What he did is wrong, just plain wrong.

They could not save one snake? http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...&dlvrit=649324

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They could not save one snake? http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...&dlvrit=649324

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*would not. Snakes are slimy and scary.

This is incredibly disheartening because I can only imagine that this will reflect very poorly on the reputable breeders not to mention that all the animals that had to suffer in these conditions also that apparently that the remaining stock could not be saved... however, that doesn't seem to be out of the standard for PETA since their shelters often euthanize tons of dogs/cats ever year as it is.

I mean, this community already has to put up with so much BS and then people like this come along and the stigmas just get worse and worse and worse. Not to mention that PETA involvement always puts me on edge as well...

Deplorable. How in the "F" can someone honestly call themselves a human.. let alone a breeder and let something like that happen? It sickens me to see this... Sickens me even more that it was allowed to get to those extremes.. The employees should have done something, PETA's involvement is a double edge sword in this case.. Like several others those four letters in combination to each other gives me the heebee jeebees.. But in this case... I'm torn.. I don't know what to think.. Inside is rage, remorse, and bittersweet gratitude. There are so many things our beloved community doesn't need... And this tops the list..

What a F'in shame... I hope he gets his just desserts in the end..

Don't forget, PETA wants all of your pets freed into the wild because they can obviously survive on their own and that's all they want to do is to be wild. :rolleyes:

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Don't forget, PETA wants all of your pets freed into the wild because they can obviously survive on their own and that's all they want to do is to be wild. :rolleyes:

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Actually, this is incorrect. They want to kill all your animals, since they couldn't survive introduction to the wild and then prevent any more from being kept by anyone for anything. They're about as much about freedom as I am about politeness at all costs.

You really should have your facts straight before you go trying to be funny. Some folks might actually believe you.

When I was young and an idiot, I actually worked for them. That's what they told me.

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When I was young and an idiot, I actually worked for them. That's what they told me.

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They tell a lot of people a lot of things. They also lie quite a bit.

I am saddened by the fact they put ALL of those reptiles down. I believe they should of all had a chance. I have worked in similar situations to this, with snakes and reptiles all illy treated - some not having water for weeks, RI infections, protected animals taken form the wild, other dying of starvation, severe burns, etc. But I didn't put them down. No, I spent time and addressed all their health issues to the best of my ability.

I just wished that the government reached out to the herpetology community more. I'm sure people would of taken some of them. I know I would of volunteered and stuck them somewhere far in the house for quarantine. The problem is that NO ONE in that county team probably had ANY experience with reptiles. I just hope they at least had good intent through their core.

At least those poor animals are out of their misery in the great cloud in the sky, where their are hides galore for the ball ptyhons and adventures for them all (with lots of food and water).

In fact, to remember the animals, I have decided to name my new reptile Love, and one feeder rat is now going to live its life in peace from my live feeders with a big ten gallon.

About PETA, I agree that it is a double edge sword. I'm glad that it has been addressed, but PETA is NUTS!!! And the lady who runs it doesn't even qualify as nuts, for she is worse than that. They have a higher kill rate than nearly all animal controls, and they attack children. I've seen it. In the FFA, I remember PETA people making a toddler cry for showing its rabbit. They are a big money sucker and do nearly nothing in return for the animals. There was a documentary I watched about them a long time ago, and I remember it, but I don't remember the name of the documentary exactly. However, I cleary remember the booklets given to children saying, "Your Mommy Kills" with the cover picture of a mother knifing a rabbit. Another scene with the main lady saying animals should be free. Something about a campaign saying beer over milk. And tons of other crazy stuff.


For FFA/4-H/etc, they have a whole course about dealing with the PETA people, that you have to take in order to be allowed to show in the state fairs, because they can be that vicious, specifically with the youth.

I realize this is a necro thread, but there is an update:

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riversi...8k-to-peta.ece

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I realize this is a necro thread, but there is an update:

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riversi...8k-to-peta.ece

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And that's even worst. Really, PETA gets all the money? I find that... disturbing.

According to the article PETA gets $88k while the city gets $102k. But in my opinion any amount of money going to PETA is too much.