Down side to breeding,

Sometimes things need to be done just to give them that extra chance.

On Friday Evening I decided to check my eggs and everything seemed fine until I noticed white oozing from the bottom of the eggs, I candled them and they were still moving but the eggs were deflating due to the loss of egg white. So my 8 egg clutch which was on day 45 seemed to be getting worse so after a lengthy discussion with my wife and a good friend we decided that we would cut and try and give them the best possible chance. I cut one of the eggs and I saw a perfectly formed hatchling coloured and patterned which looked ready to hatch egg tooth included. So it made me think and I made a video on day 3 of incubation of these eggs and we saw a formed baby in all of the eggs ( We all know that we shouldn't be able to see this until 2 weeks or so ) So we came to the conclusion that they were partially incubated inside the female before she laid.

Anyway after cutting the eggs we noticed that we had no other choice than to pull them with yolk included ( Trust me this was the last resort but some had basically drained theirselves due to the slits underneath )

So after I pulled them all and placed them into tubs containing moist kitchen roll they all seemed perfectly fine breathing and strong heart beats although they weren't moving much but that was to be expected. Anyway we checked them on Saturday Evening before going to bed and they were all still breathing and had heart beats so we thought maybe just maybe they will survive. I checked them this morning ( Sunday ) and now I am unable to find any heart beats :( So after all we could do it seems we have lost them. I swear something or someone out there doesn't want me to succeed, I have three other eggs which were laid 1 week after the eight eggs they also have cuts on the bottoms of the eggs which look like V's. I don't know what's caused this to happen but all I do know is I feel pretty crap at the moment about it all. The 3 eggs with the V's I have hopefully managed to stop the oozing due to the holes only being small so there might be hope yet with those ones.

Anyway I have taken photographs of the babies during taking them out of their eggs so I can share with others about my ordeal but I will put those up later on.

At the moment I am seriously considering not breeding anymore I don't know if I can take much more of this.

i know the feeling this has been my first year breeding and have not had the best run of luck - 2 babies dead in eggs, 3 dead after emerging from eggs and 10 eggs bad in incubator :( i have had the same thoughts about not breeding as i didnt know how many more little bodies i could deal with it really is heartbreaking to lose them.

as you said sometimes you need to do something to help them, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt but at least you know you gave the wee ones the best chance at life. i hope your luck changes soon, mine has recently and it totally makes up for all the crappy stuff to have little babies doing well, but the thought of that doesnt make any difference when you are faced with another little baby that didnt make it. keep your chin up and keep trying, you will get there eventually and it is worth all the heartache when things turn out right :) xx

Sorry for the bad luck, but don't give up.

You can try to put bandaids over the holes. It worked for others in the past. Sorry for your loss.

Sorry to hear that, breeding definitely has its ups and downs.

How did they get slit underneath? Sorry maybe you said, but I'm confused.

How deflated were they that made you cut them so early?
Maybe you did more harm than good cutting them open, deflating is a normal part of the process.
My last clutch started deflating at day 43-44 and were very deflated when they pipped on their own at day 54.

Sorry for your loss, it comes with the territory unfortunately :(

Sorry to hear that. :( It's strange they would have slits on the bottom of the egg. Are the other eggs leaking as well? Breeding definitely has its ups and downs. My first clutch was 5 fertile eggs. They died off one by one until only 2 were left. The remaining babies survived until they were full term. One died in the egg shortly before the other one hatched. The dead one was severely malformed. The one that survived had severe kinks and could not swallow food. He only lived 3 months. :( It happens and its sad, but there are so many other good times when you breed snakes. Healthy hatchlings are far more common than weak or deformed ones. Don't let this one clutch (or even the other one) discourage you from breeding snakes.

I'm so sorry this happened. :(
Better luck next time.

You can patch up the slits with super glue and a small piece of saran wrap if it happens again. And top the egg off with saline or distilled water if there is fluid loss.

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You can patch up the slits with super glue and a small piece of saran wrap if it happens again.

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I have done this and can tell you it does work. In 2011, I had a clutch of eggs that were pulled out of the incubator and onto the floor. They had a 2ft drop. One of the eggs split open. I took a small patch of plastic wrap and super glue and glued the plastic around the hole. Use as little glue as possible as it does produce some bad fumes. You will need to allow ventilation (do not put the lid back on and shove them in the incubator) A dip in temperature for a few minutes will not harm them. I had two clutches go a week without power (75 in the incubator) and they hatched fine. Let the glue dry and place them back in the incubator. Check on them periodically to make sure the plastic is holding.

Sorry for your loss. Keeping a few old egg shells around can help in these situations. Sometimes eggs will swell to the point of splitting and leaking egg fluid. Old eggs can be cut into patches and placed on the split. All you need is a little water to moisten the patch and it will stick on its own.

I think cutting and pulling the hatchlings at such an early stage is what did them in. If left in the eggs, they probably would have been just fine. Nature has a way of fixing things we wouldn't expect. Good luck with the future breedings.

You definitely should not have removed them from the eggs!

Over the years I have had quite a few eggs leak...Patched them up and they were fine...One egg I just packed a bunch of Vermiculite around the slit and it hatched fine!

I remember ripping two eggs pulling them apart after they were laid...I put masking tape over each hole and they hatched fine...The masking tape did mold up a little by the time they hatched.

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Originally Posted by DeadGirlSuperstar

i know the feeling this has been my first year breeding and have not had the best run of luck - 2 babies dead in eggs, 3 dead after emerging from eggs and 10 eggs bad in incubator :( i have had the same thoughts about not breeding as i didnt know how many more little bodies i could deal with it really is heartbreaking to lose them.

as you said sometimes you need to do something to help them, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt but at least you know you gave the wee ones the best chance at life. i hope your luck changes soon, mine has recently and it totally makes up for all the crappy stuff to have little babies doing well, but the thought of that doesnt make any difference when you are faced with another little baby that didnt make it. keep your chin up and keep trying, you will get there eventually and it is worth all the heartache when things turn out right :) xx

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Thanks, These things happen unfortunately I guess its meant to be.

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Sorry for the bad luck, but don't give up.

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

Sorry to hear that, breeding definitely has its ups and downs.

How did they get slit underneath? Sorry maybe you said, but I'm confused.

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I am still trying to figure that one out myself to be honest, Every single egg was slit under neath at least an inch and it was literally like having a cracked chicken egg in your hand. The clutch was all bunched together too so made things very very hard to try and even think about repairing them :( I did move during incubation but I'm still not sure what would of caused them to split to that degree. The only thing i can think is that they tried hatching upside down but I've never heard of that before.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

How deflated were they that made you cut them so early?
Maybe you did more harm than good cutting them open, deflating is a normal part of the process.
My last clutch started deflating at day 43-44 and were very deflated when they pipped on their own at day 54.

Sorry for your loss, it comes with the territory unfortunately :(

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They weren't deflating as if they were about to hatch they were deflating due to the sheer amount of white lost through the slits and would of gone dry and caused them to suffocate inside. I have bred other reptiles before so understand about them deflating etc before hatching and the thinning of the shells. One that I cut open didn't contain any fluid at all and the snake was drying out inside already.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I'm so sorry this happened. :(
Better luck next time.

You can patch up the slits with super glue and a small piece of saran wrap if it happens again. And top the egg off with saline or distilled water if there is fluid loss.

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Hmm I didn't think I could use super glue with snake eggs I used to use it for cuts on myself if they were deep but was told by the wife never to do it again :(
If I could of topped them up I would of but the slits were at the bottom which made it so hard to even consider repairing them.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Sorry for your loss. Keeping a few old egg shells around can help in these situations. Sometimes eggs will swell to the point of splitting and leaking egg fluid. Old eggs can be cut into patches and placed on the split. All you need is a little water to moisten the patch and it will stick on its own.

I think cutting and pulling the hatchlings at such an early stage is what did them in. If left in the eggs, they probably would have been just fine. Nature has a way of fixing things we wouldn't expect. Good luck with the future breedings.

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I wish I knew this trick before chucking the eggs :( I will keep them for sure when I get anymore. I would of prefered to leave them but it was a case of take them out or leave them to die and dry out I didn't know how bad they were inside until after cutting :( It wasn't like I cut them and dragged them out I did small cuts first and assessed the problem then decided to pull to give them the best possible chance the bottoms of the eggs where past the point of being repaired. Thanks for the best wishes though :)

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

You definitely should not have removed them from the eggs!

Over the years I have had quite a few eggs leak...Patched them up and they were fine...One egg I just packed a bunch of Vermiculite around the slit and it hatched fine!

I remember ripping two eggs pulling them apart after they were laid...I put masking tape over each hole and they hatched fine...The masking tape did mold up a little by the time they hatched.

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Thanks for that, Like I have stated above it was a case of do it or let them die and I wasn't going to leave it to chance when I knew I could try something. I knew it was a 50/50 chance and I was willing to take it because I didn't want to be sitting there thinking what if. These eggs weren't just leaking they were pouring out literally like someone had cracked an egg open and the yolk and white just slid straight out. I assessed it and if I could of repaired them I would of, BUT with the sheer amount of moisture and fluid coming out nothing would stick to them I would of had to turned the eggs upside down to stop them leaking the entire clutch which in turn would of caused them to drown anyway with the fluid that was left.

My main concern was if I left them bacteria would set in and kill them off and they would of just dried out without being able to top them up would of been mission impossible. Although I would be interested to know what causes these slits they aren't tiny they were literally an inch or so long like someone had a stanley knife blade to them.

I have another three eggs in the incubator from a different clutch which have tiny V shaped slits on them which are due on the 22nd I have managed to stop the oozing on them and IF I could of done the same with the others then I would have.

I haven't shared my experience to be flamed or to be told you shouldn't of done this you shouldn't of done that because IF People were in the position I was facing I would hope they would do everything they could to save them even if it means pulling them. These things happen in life and yes its a learning curve would I do anything differently I don't know but what I do know is it happened and its been a rough weekend but I do know that I hope to never have to face this sort of choice again. I will put up photos in a moment on a seperate thread so that people can see the hatchlings they weren't deformed or uncoloured if anything they looked perfect.

I think most of us that have done this numerous times have been in your position, nobody is flaming you, just questioning why you did what you did so we can all learn from it, which is what sharing this information is about I assume.
Thank you for sharing!

Sadly when pulled them from the egg, if they aren't breathing on their own already, they just don't make it, or at least that's been my experience.

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I think most of us that have done this numerous times have been in your position, nobody is flaming you, just questioning why you did what you did so we can all learn from it, which is what sharing this information is about I assume.
Thank you for sharing!

Sadly when pulled them from the egg, if they aren't breathing on their own already, they just don't make it, or at least that's been my experience.

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Maybe so but considering I was told I should not of pulled them out the eggs seems to be a bit harsh IMO and considering the circumstances a bit out of order. If I didn't want people to learn I wouldn't of posted it. After all this is how we all learn by trial and error and we learn by each others mistakes.

The seemed like they were going to be ok they were breathing on their own etc, Its a sad day but one of those things unfortunately.

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Maybe so but considering I was told I should not of pulled them out the eggs seems to be a bit harsh IMO and considering the circumstances a bit out of order. If I didn't want people to learn I wouldn't of posted it. After all this is how we all learn by trial and error and we learn by each others mistakes.

The seemed like they were going to be ok they were breathing on their own etc, Its a sad day but one of those things unfortunately.

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You absolutely should NOT have pulled them out of the eggs. You can actually spray them with distilled water to keep them moist. We learned the hard way on one of our first clutches a long time ago about pulling them out too soon. I think it was our second clutch ever. We cut them on day 46 and didn’t know NOT to cut the egg sack. We cut the eggs open and cut the sacks. They still had a LOT of yolk left and were doing good. After a week or so the fluids started to get all nasty grey/green looking inside the eggs. We got worried and pulled them out of the eggs, but they still had probably 4-5 days worth of yolk to absorb. Taking them out of the eggs was the worst thing to do. Unfortunately we lost the whole clutch and learned a valuable lesson. Now we know not to cut the egg sack and to just leave them in the eggs.

Sorry for your loss of the clutch. I know the feeling and it sucks.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

You absolutely should NOT have pulled them out of the eggs. You can actually spray them with distilled water to keep them moist. We learned the hard way on one of our first clutches a long time ago about pulling them out too soon. I think it was our second clutch ever. We cut them on day 46 and didn’t know NOT to cut the egg sack. We cut the eggs open and cut the sacks. They still had a LOT of yolk left and were doing good. After a week or so the fluids started to get all nasty grey/green looking inside the eggs. We got worried and pulled them out of the eggs, but they still had probably 4-5 days worth of yolk to absorb. Taking them out of the eggs was the worst thing to do. Unfortunately we lost the whole clutch and learned a valuable lesson. Now we know not to cut the egg sack and to just leave them in the eggs.

Sorry for your loss of the clutch. I know the feeling and it sucks.

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Either you don't understand or you haven't read the full thread!

HOW CAN I SPRAY SOMETHING WHEN THE SLITS WERE UNDERNEATH THE EGGS!!! The water would of just fallen straight out of the egg trust me I did the best possible thing that I could of to try and give them a chance! Please be aware that the photographs that I have put up were of them after they had died approx eight hours after I cut the umbilical cord to the egg sack after they had died so the photographs didn't look gruesome even more. They looked dehydrated because there was not much point in keeping dead snakes moist !

It was a matter of do or don't there wasn't much fluid left in the eggs to top up even if I could of stopped the holes but it was near on impossible because the eggs were so wet due to the fluid soaking them! Also considering that the clutch were eight eggs piled and stuck together it would of meant separating them all without them splitting anymore, turning them upside down sealing the inch across holes cutting the tops and then filling them up with water.

People say to of poured water into the eggs but imagine a cup with a hole at the bottom what will happen when you fill that cup up ? It will just pour straight out! I put this post up to educate and to share my experiences. I did not put this post up to be jumped on because people can't be bothered to read correctly. Forgive me if I seem uptight but this hobby means more to me than anything and to loose eight beautiful babies is a devastating ordeal, I did what I felt needed to be done to give them the best possible chance after all keeping them inside the eggs would of ended up killing them anyway at least I can say I tried to help them. This is just meant to be fate at it's worst but theres nothing that can change that now.

I had a friend that knew someone that had cut too early and butchered the egg beyond repair. They placed the hatchling with yoke sac into a baby food jar with some saline and he made it! Just food for thought for the future. Sorry you lost the clutch...

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

You definitely should not have removed them from the eggs!

Over the years I have had quite a few eggs leak...Patched them up and they were fine...One egg I just packed a bunch of Vermiculite around the slit and it hatched fine!

I remember ripping two eggs pulling them apart after they were laid...I put masking tape over each hole and they hatched fine...The masking tape did mold up a little by the time they hatched.

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I agree with jon
the egg aid in helping to supply oxygen.
you will have weak clutches of eggs, ones with kinks and other problems that comes with breeding snakes. but when you see healthy hatchlings pipping, it makes it all worth it. any mistakes learn for it. we all make them. don't give up.

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

Either you don't understand or you haven't read the full thread!

HOW CAN I SPRAY SOMETHING WHEN THE SLITS WERE UNDERNEATH THE EGGS!!! The water would of just fallen straight out of the egg trust me I did the best possible thing that I could of to try and give them a chance! Please be aware that the photographs that I have put up were of them after they had died approx eight hours after I cut the umbilical cord to the egg sack after they had died so the photographs didn't look gruesome even more. They looked dehydrated because there was not much point in keeping dead snakes moist !

It was a matter of do or don't there wasn't much fluid left in the eggs to top up even if I could of stopped the holes but it was near on impossible because the eggs were so wet due to the fluid soaking them! Also considering that the clutch were eight eggs piled and stuck together it would of meant separating them all without them splitting anymore, turning them upside down sealing the inch across holes cutting the tops and then filling them up with water.

People say to of poured water into the eggs but imagine a cup with a hole at the bottom what will happen when you fill that cup up ? It will just pour straight out! I put this post up to educate and to share my experiences. I did not put this post up to be jumped on because people can't be bothered to read correctly. Forgive me if I seem uptight but this hobby means more to me than anything and to loose eight beautiful babies is a devastating ordeal, I did what I felt needed to be done to give them the best possible chance after all keeping them inside the eggs would of ended up killing them anyway at least I can say I tried to help them. This is just meant to be fate at it's worst but theres nothing that can change that now.

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Actually I think it is you that doesn't understand, and it's quite sad.
I understand and have read the FULL thread. No one is "jumping" on you because they did not read correctly. You say your trying to educate? How about you listen to the commenters on this thread instead of flipping out? We are trying to educate YOU! What have you learned from this mishap? Nothing, if you don't listen to others that have dealt with similar situations already. If this hobby means so much to you then you need to relax and listen to the ones that have experience. Keeping them in the eggs was the ONLY thing that should have been done. Being ripped out is what killed them. Point blank. Lesson learned. You could have posted when the problem was occurring and gotten sound advice. Even though they were loosing fluid, they could have been patched or misted frequently to keep them hydrated. It really bothers me that you are the one jumping on anyone who has tried to give you advice.

I think this thread may evolving into something it was not intended to be.

I am sorry for your lost balls. May other new breeders learn from this thread and the advice offered. It does sound like a case of anxiousness, impatience and uninformed action. This can and does happen to many people jumping into new things or projects, a lot of it stems from wanting to do to much for them and not giving them a chance on their own. The advice given on patching up your eggs as needed is very helpful for many breeders, as was well as the baby food can make shift egg that shows real skill and ingenuity when it comes to breeding IMO.

On another note I started with growing plants, from my experience if you can grow a plant well, you can grow anything including ball python babies! They get you in tune with reading the needs of living things, the will to live of living things, and the patience required to reap what has been sown when it is ready.

Paul, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but taking them out was not the best chance for them to survive. If the eggs were completely draining out the bottom, let them drain to the point to where you can patch the slit. Catch as much of the fluid as you can if possible, patch the egg, and put as much back in along with saline solution. Just don't take the snake out of the egg while you do it. I've used duct tape to patch eggs before as well.

Also, if there was no choice whatsoever to have to pull the snake out of the egg and to tie off the umbilical cord, put food in the snakes ASAP. With them not being able to absorb their yolk, they need some kind of nutrients in their body to absorb. Just taking them out, tying off the cord and not putting anything in their belly will kill them just as fast.

Nobody is trying to scold you or tell you that you don't know what you're doing, we're just trying to help from our own bad experiences to try to help enough so that it doesn't happen to you again. Bad things happen when dealing with live animals and trying to breed them, our best tool is experience and the experience of others to help us on our way.

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Paul, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but taking them out was not the best chance for them to survive. If the eggs were completely draining out the bottom, let them drain to the point to where you can patch the slit. Catch as much of the fluid as you can if possible, patch the egg, and put as much back in along with saline solution. Just don't take the snake out of the egg while you do it. I've used duct tape to patch eggs before as well.

Also, if there was no choice whatsoever to have to pull the snake out of the egg and to tie off the umbilical cord, put food in the snakes ASAP. With them not being able to absorb their yolk, they need some kind of nutrients in their body to absorb. Just taking them out, tying off the cord and not putting anything in their belly will kill them just as fast.

Nobody is trying to scold you or tell you that you don't know what you're doing, we're just trying to help from our own bad experiences to try to help enough so that it doesn't happen to you again. Bad things happen when dealing with live animals and trying to breed them, our best tool is experience and the experience of others to help us on our way.

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Hi Luke, Honestly if I could of patched in anyway shape or form I would of done it but it would of been near on impossible to do.

I didn't have to tie off the umbilical cord I left the egg sack completely attached when I transfered them over into a moist container. I only removed the egg sacks after they had died because it looked rather gruesome to post photos of.

The thing is no one's given me any sort of explaination to what might of happened all I have been told is I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that and people making assumptions. IF People read what I actually put instead of skimming the posts then maybe they wouldn't be quick to tell me that I would of been able to patch them up. This clutch meant more to me than anything else and if I could of done anything apart from pulling them I would of within an instance it was literally a last resort. All the eggs were stuck together all were leaking from the bottoms, I couldn't just flip them upside down and patch them up that would of caused even more damage than good. To be able to stick something to a surface the surface needs to be dry and this was like wet tissue, Imagine trying to stick sellotape to egg white an impossible task.

Our best tool is experience and learning as we go but everyones chimed in to somewhat of accusations and assumptions but no one's given me any clue to what could of happened or how I could prevent it from happening again. All I have been told is top the eggs up don't pull them out don't do this don't do that but it is too late for people to be telling me this and that when I had no choice other than to pull or let them die without trying.

I have learnt a valuable lesson but it's not about the eggs or the hatchlings but its about not sharing my experience because out of everything thats been said not one came back with constructive advice ( Sorry to those that have given me ideas in case it happens again I don't mean you ) I don't want to know what to do if it happens again what I would like to do is prevent it from happening in the first place.

It seems all people are bothered about is telling me not to pull them but if they would of survived then everyone would of told me I did the right thing because it would of been a positive outcome.

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Actually I think it is you that doesn't understand, and it's quite sad.
I understand and have read the FULL thread. No one is "jumping" on you because they did not read correctly. You say your trying to educate? How about you listen to the commenters on this thread instead of flipping out? We are trying to educate YOU! What have you learned from this mishap? Nothing, if you don't listen to others that have dealt with similar situations already. If this hobby means so much to you then you need to relax and listen to the ones that have experience. Keeping them in the eggs was the ONLY thing that should have been done. Being ripped out is what killed them. Point blank. Lesson learned. You could have posted when the problem was occurring and gotten sound advice. Even though they were loosing fluid, they could have been patched or misted frequently to keep them hydrated. It really bothers me that you are the one jumping on anyone who has tried to give you advice.

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So you saying I shouldn't of pulled them out was educating was it ? Well infact I was faced with the situation I was the one that made the choice to do what had to be done. Making a bold statement that it was infact ripping them out is what killed them is absolutely outrageous ! I put this thread up to ask for opinions on what could of happened to the eggs causing them to slit at the bottom! I did not put up the thread to be told I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that! So perhaps YOU are reading far too much into it! I have listened to the valuable input to this thread I have also taken note to those that have given me some damn good ideas on how to patch them up IF it happens again!

I have listened to everything everyone as said but bleating on about the same old thing gets a bit tiresome! I could of posted but then that would of meant waiting X amount of hours for someone to reply and during that time the eggs would of dried out, How many more times do I need to say that they were past the point of being patched up, The slits where underneath the eggs and surrounding was soaked so it would NOT of stuck to anything.

It really bothers me that people make assumptions and misread what's been said I have read what people have said and I have taken on board some great advice. I have not jumped on anyone that's given constructive information but for those that haven't read what's been written! So yes I have relaxed and listened to those that haven't jumped down my throat about pulling.


Thanks to those that have given me some great advice about saving eggs and using those as patches in the future if anything happens so if ANYONE knows what could of caused these slits in the first place I would be interested in finding out after all that is why I posted this thread in the first place.

Sorry to hear about your loss....How could you tell they were leaking from slits on the bottom? Did you have them on vermiculite or on a light grating setup over the vermiculite? I think this whole thing is weird. I have not hatched thousands of eggs like some other members here but I have hatched quite a few in the past two years and have never had this problem. Definitely, hang in there. I killed my first clutch because my vermiculite was too wet so I had to make some adjustments to my ratio.

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

So you saying I shouldn't of pulled them out was educating was it ? Well infact I was faced with the situation I was the one that made the choice to do what had to be done. Making a bold statement that it was infact ripping them out is what killed them is absolutely outrageous ! I put this thread up to ask for opinions on what could of happened to the eggs causing them to slit at the bottom! I did not put up the thread to be told I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that! So perhaps YOU are reading far too much into it! I have listened to the valuable input to this thread I have also taken note to those that have given me some damn good ideas on how to patch them up IF it happens again!

I have listened to everything everyone as said but bleating on about the same old thing gets a bit tiresome! I could of posted but then that would of meant waiting X amount of hours for someone to reply and during that time the eggs would of dried out, How many more times do I need to say that they were past the point of being patched up, The slits where underneath the eggs and surrounding was soaked so it would NOT of stuck to anything.

It really bothers me that people make assumptions and misread what's been said I have read what people have said and I have taken on board some great advice. I have not jumped on anyone that's given constructive information but for those that haven't read what's been written! So yes I have relaxed and listened to those that haven't jumped down my throat about pulling.


Thanks to those that have given me some great advice about saving eggs and using those as patches in the future if anything happens so if ANYONE knows what could of caused these slits in the first place I would be interested in finding out after all that is why I posted this thread in the first place.

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Make no mistake. You are the one reading too much into this and are the one who is not listening. People are trying to tell you what to do and what not to do and you are getting pissy about it. What is wrong here? As I stated before, I read this whole entire post and did not make any assumptions, nor have I misread anything. That really bothers me. Shame on you. If anyone is making assumptions or misreading, it's you. You can take that how ever you will. Sorry but you have to get over yourself. Yes, you taking them out of the eggs is what killed them...... is that more to your liking? I did not say you ripped them out in my original post. Wasn't until you "jumped" on me for being nice and sharing my own sad story about a similar event. So WHO made an assumption and misread something? Sure the heck wasn't me. Here let me repost what I originally stated. The one that you so arrogantly responded to.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

You absolutely should NOT have pulled them out of the eggs. You can actually spray them with distilled water to keep them moist. We learned the hard way on one of our first clutches a long time ago about pulling them out too soon. I think it was our second clutch ever. We cut them on day 46 and didn’t know NOT to cut the egg sack. We cut the eggs open and cut the sacks. They still had a LOT of yolk left and were doing good. After a week or so the fluids started to get all nasty grey/green looking inside the eggs. We got worried and pulled them out of the eggs, but they still had probably 4-5 days worth of yolk to absorb. Taking them out of the eggs was the worst thing to do. Unfortunately we lost the whole clutch and learned a valuable lesson. Now we know not to cut the egg sack and to just leave them in the eggs.

Sorry for your loss of the clutch. I know the feeling and it sucks.

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So how did this post imply that I hadn't read anything? How did it show that I had misread anything? Was I being rude? Did I "jump down your throat"? Because I emphasized NOT?

Good luck in your future breedings and thanks for being so ungrateful. You obviously are very smart and considerate and listen very well to constructive criticism. Yeah somehow I don't think you have or will learn anything from this mishap. Sorry for the poor snakes that lost their lives to your incompetency.
Sorry but you sure rubbed me the wrong way with your unfounded bad attatude.

I think the reason no one has given you a reason as to why it happened is because for the most part, it doesn't. And if it does...most would be just as clueless about it as you are. All we can do is offer advice to fix it or keep it from happening again and that's what we did. Sorry if it wasn't what you were looking for, but its all we could do for you given the situation. We don't know how your egg boxes are set up, temps, humidity and how often you checked/touched them. We can't just expect you did everything right in the first place, so we're offering the best advice we can with the information we've been given.

Wow. The heat sure turned up since my last post.

OP, can you describe your set up? It might clue is in to how the eggs got cut.
And for a solution incase your particular situation occurred again, maybe perhaps put the eggs in a saline filled cups since you said there was no way to patch them up. That way the liquid in the eggs cannot escape. And if some does, the entire cup will become the new egg.

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Yes, you CAN flip the eggs upside down in the case of a repair. I've washed Burmese python eggs under the kitchen sink before with 100% hatch. As stated by several others here your eggs would have been better left alone and it seems as you are not understanding your mistake. Nature has a way of fixing itself. If it doesn't, that is where we step in. Remember my trick.....keep a few of your old eggs. All you need is water to seal them up. Good luck.

I am staying out of the debate and argument here.

But, I would very much like to try and understand how or why these eggs split on the bottoms. I don't think I have ever heard of that happening before, and I am quite puzzled.

Can you please tell me exactly how you were incubating the eggs ? Perhaps that might provide a clue. Especially since this is only my second season, and out of four clutches I had problems with three. I'd like to be better informed and prepared for in case of.

One of my clutches I had a very similar problem, and one tiny little baby I had to cut and tie his umbilical cord and separate him from his yolk. he was so pitifully thin I didn't think he'd live, but with some patience on my part and a few assist feedings, he actually looks like a normal hatchling now. Now that he's about 10 weeks old.

Gale

Ah nuts, :(

Sorry to read this.

Do the slit in the bottom of the eggs look like they were made by the egg tooth of the snake inside or are they all in the same direction and might have been caused by the grating they were sitting on?


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I too would like to know how slits got in the bottom of the eggs...

I've hatch hundreds of eggs and never had a slit on the bottom of the eggs due to grating.
I imagine if they dried out too much at first that they could get stuck to the grating??

Maybe (and this is strictly speculation since we don't have set-up info) the eggs got wet on the bottom and it caused a window? This could have weakened the integrity of the shell and cause the light grate to puncture or cause a slit.

Just thinking out loud here.


(Edit for fat fingered typing)



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