What mainstream colubrid lays the most eggs?

I'm trying to set up for a breeding project, which will involve a popular species (as opposed to doing something way too expensive, and rare) and the only thing stopping me from doing ball pythons is their small clutch sizes, as well as their slightly upper prices. So, instead of getting boas or pythons who may get too big for the family to tolerate, I've decided to check into colubrids instead. Also, as far as selling babies go and the total profit they make, can you compare said colubrid snake to bearded dragons? I honestly don't care about this, but my parents will only let me breed something if it'll generate some form of profit. (Unjust and annoying- I know...) The cheap price of the actual bearded dragon combined with their large clutch size (multiplied with the cheap price of the babies can still add up quite high!) make them a favorable choice for my parents. However, I'm a snake guy. I don't like all the complex stuff like UV lights and large, homemade cages, daily feeding, and bugs. I prefer small cages, simple heat, and the one mouse a week mindset. So guys, help me out here...:please:

Hognoses is what id go for.

One thing to consider is before you breed most colubrids they have to hibernate. This can be inconvenient for some people and add to the upkeep cost of them. Pythons and boas have no need for that.


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One thing to consider is before you breed most colubrids they have to hibernate. This can be inconvenient for some people and add to the upkeep cost of them. Pythons and boas have no need for that.


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I'm quite aware of how to pull the efforts off. I'm actually more so wanting bearded dragons compared to certain colubrids. Do bearded dragons have a breeding season as well, and does this require any conditioning? (Such as brumation)

Here's what I have gained from your posts so far...
You just want to breed something, anything, and you want to have to do as little work as possible to actually keep the animals under good husbandry? Let me recommend these guys here:

http://www.thejunglestore.com/Gift-C...FU576wodYDkAkg

They stay at just over 4 feet, aren't actually venomous and require no care what-so-ever.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

So you just want to breed something, anything, and you want to have to do as little work as possible to actually keep the animals under good husbandry? If not, then alright. If so, let me recommend these guys here:

http://www.thejunglestore.com/Gift-C...FU576wodYDkAkg

They stay at just over 4 feet, aren't actually venomous and require no care what-so-ever.:rolleyes:

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there's many colubrids that lay lots of eggs. when it comes to breeding snakes for profit there's really none made unless you breed in large quantities. you will spend more than you make. and then you have to see what snakes are popular and will sell fast, if not you will be stuck with lots of babies, more spending, and no income.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

Here's what I have gained from your posts so far...
You just want to breed something, anything, and you want to have to do as little work as possible to actually keep the animals under good husbandry? Let me recommend these guys here:

http://www.thejunglestore.com/Gift-C...FU576wodYDkAkg

They stay at just over 4 feet, aren't actually venomous and require no care what-so-ever.:rolleyes:

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How funny.
What I was saying is that I would rather breed something that takes the least amount of money and effort to start off with.

I see.

I guess what I don't understand are you reasons for wanting to breed. With any and all animals that I've bred, I never once bought the first animal of that species with the intention of breeding. What I did was buy an animals that I liked (a corn snake, for example) to have it as a pet. After getting to know more and more about said species, and how to get them to breed in captivity, I decided that breeding was something that I'd like to do to further my knowledge, experience and involvement in the animals.

What concerns me is that you aren't looking to breed an animal that you love and want to work more with, but are instead trying to breed an animal that will make you money. Doing this can taint your view of your animals as potnetial dollar signs and not living creatures, which is exactly why commercial egg producing hens and beef stock live such horrible lives. I'm not saying that you would do anything close to that, just that dollar signs are what causes those conditions.

If your parents won't let you breed unless you'll make money then just continue to keep reptiles as pets until you are out of the house. Then, if you want to breed, get whatever your heart desires. Best of luck.

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How funny.
What I was saying is that I would rather breed something that takes the least amount of money and effort to start off with.

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Bearded dragons have a lot of care requirements. You would need a lot of space, a ton of lighting (UVA and UVB). A lot of vegetables a lot of insects, calcium supplements vitamin supplement ect. I really don't think bearded dragons are the way to go. :/

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

Here's what I have gained from your posts so far...
You just want to breed something, anything, and you want to have to do as little work as possible to actually keep the animals under good husbandry? Let me recommend these guys here:

http://www.thejunglestore.com/Gift-C...FU576wodYDkAkg

They stay at just over 4 feet, aren't actually venomous and require no care what-so-ever.:rolleyes:

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I wanna breed those!! I'm gonna create the first morph of them and be famous!

Wait till you're out of the house. Get something you actually want. I've waited 6 years to be able to start getting my own snakes I want and I still don't have any. I will be getting some soon, but still it doesn't sound like your parents are endorsing a good way to look at it. Animals are living creatures that deserve respect and good care no matter what they are. Not saying your a bad person, but I really think waiting is your best option.

I'm sorry, but if you're just looking to make a quick buck, I don't think you should breed ANYTHING. Not even mice.

Also, if you think you'll be making quick cash, you're dead wrong. You'll be putting a LOT of time, effort and money into breeding just about anything. And it will take years sometimes just to break even and profit.

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I'm sorry, but if you're just looking to make a quick buck, I don't think you should breed ANYTHING. Not even mice.

Also, if you think you'll be making quick cash, you're dead wrong. You'll be putting a LOT of time, effort and money into breeding just about anything. And it will take years sometimes just to break even and profit.

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Corn snakes. I actually got rid of most of my corns and got into balls instead because I was producing way too many babies to take care of. A large healthy female can produce close to 50 babies a year with double clutching. And the morphs are as nice as ball morphs.

Garter Snakes

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Originally Posted by JaGv

there's many colubrids that lay lots of eggs. when it comes to breeding snakes for profit there's really none made unless you breed in large quantities. you will spend more than you make. and then you have to see what snakes are popular and will sell fast, if not you will be stuck with lots of babies, more spending, and no income.

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Nail meet head.
Popularity does play into it. Granted a new snake can become popular over time, clutch size should not be your first concern. Well not "largest clutch size", a viable breeding clutch size of course but the snake itself will be the ultimate selling point.
Behaviour, colour/pattern, ease of care (more difficult snakes can still appeal to skilled herp lovers but this is a smaller pool of potential customers), etc all would be higher in my priority list.

Also, if you were to breed something like corns, are you even going to be able to look after 50+ babies? They're definitely not going to sell in a few days. You'll probably wind up having to hold onto quite a few, and that's going to get expensive.