Question about visual het

So, I have heard of visual hets, and I am just curious as to what all could be considered a visual for it? Is it dependent on what the het gene is? I have a het g stripe girl and I see these weird little white spot around her belly in multiple places, almost looks like a different pattern might be trying to come out or something.

Here are 2 of them
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/22/4agahupu.jpg


0.3 Normals (Coilette, Athena and Mary Jane)
1.1 Het Genetic Stripe (Bonnie and Clyde)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)
1.0 Spider (Zeus)
1.0 Mojave (Prometheus)

0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)

Visual hets would be like:
Yellowbelly is a visual het for Ivory
Mojave is a visual het for Blue Eyed Lucy, along with Butter, Lesser, Mocha, Russo, and a few more
Fire is a visual het for Black Eyed Lucy
Het Red Axanthic is a visual het for Red Axanthic

I'm sure I'm missing a few others but basically a visual het is an animal that is its own morph that when combined with it's self or something genetically similar it creates a different morph, but it will be a like a super form not like something created from just two regular co-doms like a spider and pinstripe.

I hope this doesn't sound to confusing.

I believe 'visual hets' are animals in which their het gene is visually expressing itself.

Pied and clown are great examples of het genes that influence the look of the animal.

For example, het pieds can have the rail road tracks. Or morph het pieds such as pewter het pieds have ringers or extreme fading.

Most het clowns are usually more clean and/or brighter than their regular counterparts. And sometimes their patterns have the clown look.



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Or maybe they mean recessive traits that are visual, since most are in some form or another.
I'm not at all familiar with het g-stripe traits, so no help there, sorry.

So partial ringers could be visual???


0.3 Normals (Coilette, Athena and Mary Jane)
1.1 Het Genetic Stripe (Bonnie and Clyde)
1.0 Pastel (De Sol)
1.0 Spider (Zeus)
1.0 Mojave (Prometheus)

0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Stella)

From what I understand visual hets. refer to het. markers, such as with het. pieds. However they are very (for the most part) inconclusive in determining heterogeneous animals.

Visual het is normally refering what the trade calls co-dominant traits. Yellow bellies seem'd to have made it a common term. This is because they are visual in the heterozygous form.

I've never herd it refereed to with recessives, would be kind of a silly thing to say, if they are visual in the heterozygous form, then they aren't recessive :)

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

Visual hets would be like:
Yellowbelly is a visual het for Ivory
Mojave is a visual het for Blue Eyed Lucy, along with Butter, Lesser, Mocha, Russo, and a few more
Fire is a visual het for Black Eyed Lucy
Het Red Axanthic is a visual het for Red Axanthic

I'm sure I'm missing a few others but basically a visual het is an animal that is its own morph that when combined with it's self or something genetically similar it creates a different morph, but it will be a like a super form not like something created from just two regular co-doms like a spider and pinstripe.

I hope this doesn't sound to confusing.

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This is correct. Pastel is also a visual het for super pastel.

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A Clown is recessive but a visual can be seen in the het. I don't know if it can be seen in all of them. My het clown and even my het albino seems to be far from a "normal"

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

A Clown is recessive but a visual can be seen in the het. I don't know if it can be seen in all of them. My het clown and even my het albino seems to be far from a "normal"

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Thank you, exactly as I have been saying for some time :gj:

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

A Clown is recessive but a visual can be seen in the het. I don't know if it can be seen in all of them. My het clown and even my het albino seems to be far from a "normal"

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I agree. My pastel het clown looks quite different from a regular pastel.

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Does hypo have any synergistic effects with het clown? I'm trying to buy a double het hypo clown male and wondering if I could hope for some hypo holdbacks that by looks I could improve on the 50% chance het clown.

seems like maybe we should stop classifying clown and hypo as recessive..... yea try and convince the hobby of that. Yea some might be hard to tell, but look at any subtle morph we have, why are these different? Het Hypo appears to stand out a lot more than some of the subtle morphs.

I don't know if they proved out, but the only possible het hypos I seen in person, there were brighter colored ones that I would suspect to be het hypo. I have heard from others they are easy to tell in a full clutch.

Here is my dbl het clown hypos, last picture is one that was a few days after shed
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ve-ever-bought

So a Clown as we know it now would be the super? :) :p

I've worked with piebald and hypo and consider them both recessive with co-dominant tendencies but if I get him this will be my first time to work with clown. Thanks for all the info and the link!