H.R. 511 to be heard on 11/29

U.S. House to hear HR 511 on Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:00 AM
SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISHERIES, WILDLIFE, OCEANS AND INSULAR AFFAIRS
1334 Longworth House Office Building
Thursday, November 29, 2012
10:00 a.m.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/ca...EventID=312516

Now they're after retics, boas, and more...(again).

If this passes the house it will very likely be signed into law. I hope everyone writes heir reps

This is such BS.

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

If this passes the house it will very likely be signed into law. I hope everyone writes heir reps

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This is not quite how the legislative process works. Should 511 be passed out of the house, it must then go before an assigned Senate committee, and if passed out of there, would then be sent back to both the Senate and House for final consideration and/or to reconcile any differences made between the House and the Senate before the president acts on it. HR 511 still has several hurdles to go through before it can be signed into law.

Yes, because everyone writing their reps worked so well in the past. Sorry to be a downer, but Congress doesn't give a flying monkey poop what WE want or what's best for the people.

Some folks said last time that the only reason that they ONLY banned the few species was to get around that rule about XX amount of economic impact. Now they're going to continue to add more species in.

And I talked to one of my reps who assured me that he was totally against the last one, that it was way over-reaching the original purpose of the department, etc etc. Then he ended up voting to pass it anyway.

I don't really know if I have it in me to bother anymore. This last election process just seems to have brought home to me that none of Congress(Senate, Democrat Republican ANY of them) care WHAT we want or think.

First, they'll ban some more species, next year it'll just be a blanket "pythons" or "constrictor snakes" and then it'll be another "reptiles" and then other exotics until they start in on dogs and cats eventually.

eventually? certain dog breeds are already classified as dangerous by many city ordiances and not allowed within the confines of the city limits. But I agree, they have a lot of hurdles to get through even after it passes the house. It will still need a majority vote, and if people know the realism behind how much economic impact banning just Boas and Retics will have, only a fool would do that to the economy. . . but then again . . . look what's going on in washington :-/. As soon as this starts making headway, its back to ordering more morph of retics for me.. . get them while I can get them into Texas.

and my two cens - I think the Boa Constrictor blanket will keep it from passing . . . there is nothing backing up that these are invasive animals other than a small population in Florida that has had zero ecological impacts documented.

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and my two cens - I think the Boa Constrictor blanket will keep it from passing . . . there is nothing backing up that these are invasive animals other than a small population in Florida that has had zero ecological impacts documented.

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Let's hope! Boas are the most amazing pets, and I think it would be really devastating to a lot of us to see them end up on the Lacey Act.

Being kind of a noob, I'm confused about H.R. 511's effect on the captive bred market. Please point me in the right direction.

It prohibits the interstate trasnport of animals listed under this act as "Injurous". This prohibits them from being imported into these states, or imported from anywhere else in the world. This does not stop them from being exported or kept locally under certain state governing laws and city ordinances.

It means you can have the snake if your state and city say its ok - but you must get the snake from within your state. If you are then in the military and are forced to relocate to a different state, you're new "pet" snake must then be left behind in the state of your current residence or sold to another person within that state, again not to allow the snake to cross state lines. Current species on the list already include: Burmese, Indian, African Rock, Yellow Anaconda, and South African Rock.

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It prohibits the interstate trasnport of animals listed under this act as "Injurous". This prohibits them from being imported into these states, or imported from anywhere else in the world. This does not stop them from being exported or kept locally under certain state governing laws and city ordinances.

It means you can have the snake if your state and city say its ok - but you must get the snake from within your state. If you are then in the military and are forced to relocate to a different state, you're new "pet" snake must then be left behind in the state of your current residence or sold to another person within that state, again not to allow the snake to cross state lines. Current species on the list already include: Burmese, Indian, African Rock, Yellow Anaconda, and South African Rock.

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I see. Apparently there is more going on here than just section 1 vague text. Thanks for direction. that will give me something extra to look into for a little while.

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and my two cens - I think the Boa Constrictor blanket will keep it from passing . . . there is nothing backing up that these are invasive animals other than a small population in Florida that has had zero ecological impacts documented.

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Agreed, aswell as your point.. the blanket attempt would also move them past the XX economic damage point if i aint mistaken...:please:

If so it would more or less be a complete waste of time on the morons trying to push it.. Man I really hate my state reps. :mad:

Yeah, I've been contacting multiple breeders getting input on the matter. Most of them are primarily retic breeders without the ability to use CITES export. . . they will be the most effected if passed. However, even they seem to believe that Boa constrictor being on the list will keep it from passing. Retics may keep it from passing if they do proper research in the amount of industry it is, and the rise of things like Super Dwarfs and Dwarfs that don't get near as big. Plus this is a list of animals that have a dangerous impact on our wild and native wildlife. There have been ZERO Feral populations of reticulated pythons, so the data is not there. The whole addition of constrictors to the injurious list was thanks to the Burmese in Florida. Our only cause for warning with retics is the amount of deaths associated with them thanks to some published HSUS data.

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Yeah, I've been contacting multiple breeders getting input on the matter. Most of them are primarily retic breeders without the ability to use CITES export. . . they will be the most effected if passed. However, even they seem to believe that Boa constrictor being on the list will keep it from passing. Retics may keep it from passing if they do proper research in the amount of industry it is, and the rise of things like Super Dwarfs and Dwarfs that don't get near as big. Plus this is a list of animals that have a dangerous impact on our wild and native wildlife. There have been ZERO Feral populations of reticulated pythons, so the data is not there. The whole addition of constrictors to the injurious list was thanks to the Burmese in Florida. Our only cause for warning with retics is the amount of deaths associated with them thanks to some published HSUS data.